TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Strong AI]

I think that is the way tanks will go in the future, more like portable command bunkers rather than tank hunters / direct fire support. And, light and agile tanks that can hit and run hit and run with precision guided, longer range rounds.

Alpar would be great to use with, imo, Altay with unmanned turret, that way, the role of the loader could be replaced with drone controller. Or, when we can use UGVs with more autonomy commander could just, well, command the drones while they carry out the orders themselves.

Yeah, but i think we are far away from that. I mean is there even a tank with unmanned turret, which entered mass produtcion? AFAIK only a small batch of Armatas were produced until now.
IMO a MUM-T against asymmetric threats would be already a good start.

 

[boredaf]

Yeah, but i think we are far away from that. I mean is there even a tank with unmanned turret, which entered mass produtcion? AFAIK only a small batch of Armatas were produced until now.
IMO a MUM-T against asymmetric threats would be already a good start.

You're right about that, it is more next generation though they are coming closer and closer. And Alpar has 400 or 500 km range, that should be more than enough by itself.

I like the idea of mumt in general because that is the future of battlefields in general; small number of elite troops (or planes or ships you get the point) supported by big number of different unmanned systems. We have a chance to lead the way here.

 

[mTT]

The KKK wants heavy tanks, the boss gets what he wants.

 

[Sanchez]

The KKK wants heavy tanks, the boss gets what he wants.

KKK doesn't know what it wants.

 

[Kaan Azman]

This could be it, or, Venom LR as it can be used with mounts for 12.7 mm machine guns, so, the mount itself wouldn't be as heavy; Sarp 25mm weighs around a ton, for example, while Sarp mounts for 12.7 mm weigh 200 or 300 kg, that's a big difference.

And, would Akkor radars even have a range, let's say, 1 km to give the gun a proper chance? Or, could they be changed, or can a new set of radars added?


Best case scenario is to always have some anti-air element to cover the tanks, of course, but it is still necessary for the tank to defend itself.

I actually see Sarsılmaz's 25 mm turret as more sensible as it does not need roof penetration and go deep, thanks to outboard ammo boxes. It also comes with the bonus of smoke canisters. It should be compatible with ATOM 25 and programmer.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925892388322414629

 

[Tornadoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925892388322414629

If true this is kind of disappointing.

 

[Sanchez]

If true this is kind of disappointing.

It's not just disappointing, it's the biggest fuck up of Turkish defence industry by all its related companies in the project so far. Every single one of them fumbled horribly. MKE, Roketsan, Aselsan, BMC, they all fucked up big.

 

[Strong AI]

It looks like Roketsan failed to start serial production of their armor, so they had to import SK ones to not postpone the serial production of ALTAY again.

2023

Altay tankını yerli zırh koruyacak

Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri testlerine hazırlanan Altay tankı, kendisine yönelecek tehditleri yeni nesil zırhıyla durduracak. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

https://www.roketsan.com.tr/solutions/ballistic-protection-systems

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The Altay Tank is a complete organizational disaster; it would have been easier to buy the K2 Black Panther as it is.
Then equip it with Aselsan hardware and software modifications.
It would be cheaper, and Turkey would already have over 400–500 Tanks built under license. Instead of developing every screw from scratch.

 

[I_Love_F16]

It's not just disappointing, it's the biggest fuck up of Turkish defence industry by all its related companies in the project so far. Every single one of them fumbled horribly. MKE, Roketsan, Aselsan, BMC, they all fucked up big.

Hence why i’m not following Altay anymore since last year. But it’s a good reality check. It means that we have still a lot of work to do from design to mass production of a modern MBT.

 

[TheInsider]

This is a known issue for those who follow the Altay project closely. T1 was never supposed to have the Turkish armor. It seems like they are sticking to that. Roketsan demonstrated its own armor solution via live firing tests, but demonstrating that capability is one thing; mass producing hundreds of tons of armor is another thing.

 

[Strong AI]

This is a known issue for those who follow the Altay project closely. T1 was never supposed to have the Turkish armor. It seems like they are sticking to that. Roketsan demonstrated its own armor solution via live firing tests, but demonstrating that capability is one thing; mass producing hundreds of tons of armor is another thing.

So it is a good news then that we were able to buy the armor from SK.
But isn't two years enough to start serial production, or what was that news back then in 2023?

 

[Sanchez]

T1 was never supposed to have the Turkish armor

Given number on that link is for 100 tanks. So that's at least until 2030-31. Roketsan was given the task to build the armor in no later than 2010. 20 year gap.

 

[Strong AI]

Given number on that link is for 100 tanks. So that's at least until 2030-31. Roketsan was given the task to build the armor in no later than 2010. 20 year gap.

I would say 2029 according to this:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894020172593164623

President of Defense Industries Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün announced the ALTAY Tank delivery schedule!

ALTAY-T1:

— 2025: 3 units
— 2026: 11 units
— 2027: 41 units
— 2028: 30 units

A total of 85 ALTAY-T1.

ALTAY-T2: 165 ALTAY-T2 will be produced starting from 2028.

 

[TR_123456]

This is a known issue for those who follow the Altay project closely. T1 was never supposed to have the Turkish armor. It seems like they are sticking to that. Roketsan demonstrated its own armor solution via live firing tests, but demonstrating that capability is one thing; mass producing hundreds of tons of armor is another thing.

Thats bs,all the delays and now this?
What a joke of a project the Altay has become,they fucked up big time.

 

[mTT]

The issue is that for 4th-generation armor, the required vacuum sintering and hot-pressing capacity to produce “reaction-bonded” (RB-SiC/B₄C) plates has not yet reached the threshold for defect-free mass production. The ALTAY tank’s armor is not dependent on foreign sources. For the first 100 tanks, only the core SiC/B₄C plates are imported from Korea, while the armor’s package design and reactive layers are developed by Roketsan. A domestic boron carbide production line is being established in Bandırma and is planned to enter mass production in 2027. Due to schedule pressure and certification risks, a temporary solution is being applied.

The main issue with the mentioned boron carbide armor is that, although B₄C is lightweight, it fails to withstand tungsten cores traveling at speeds above 1 km/s. At such velocities, the crystal structure collapses into an "amorphous" phase, initiating a chain of cracks that can lead to plate disintegration under multiple hits. The SiC/B₄C hybrid mitigates this risk, but to consistently achieve porosity below 1% in 400×400 mm blocks during serial production, the sintering furnace recipe still needs optimization. It is stated that the target for certification is 2027.

 

[Ahlatshah]

I dont know. Design is from SK, so are engine and transmission. Now the armor.

This tank, will not be "indigenous or national" at least 10 years. We would be better off if we bought 250 K2s

Shame

 

[Huelague]

I never understood why Roketsan was commissioned to develop the armor.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I never understood why Roketsan was commissioned to develop the armor.

yeah thats funny , roketsan develop stuff to penetrate armor no produce armor to protect from rockets