TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[BalkanTurk90]

I never understood why Roketsan was commissioned to develop the armor.

yeah thats funny , roketsan develop stuff to penetrate armor no produce armor to protect from rockets

 

[Huelague]

yeah thats funny , roketsan develop stuff to penetrate armor no produce armor to protect from rockets

Oyak Group or similar companies has to developed this armor.

 

[TheInsider]

According to this, Roketsan will only provide add-on armor for T1.

 

[No Name]

I understand that many people are disappointed with how the project has progressed over the years. However, on the bright side, it has led to Turkey developing a significant amount of new technology, which will benefit future projects. It can be seen as an investment in the future.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

That may be true, but it's not because the Altay project has been delayed, it's because there is/was no plan B. If they had purchased a license for the K2 Black Panther from the outset and built, say, 300-500 units, they would already have an operational tank and a higher deterrent, even if they are not 100% tailored to Turkish requirements (neither is the Leopard II, by the way).
The Altay can then be delayed as long as it wants, because you would have something up your sleeve. But now you have nothing. Turkey has many tanks, but only a few of them meet the modern requirements of the 21st century. Apart from the M60T and the Leopard II A4T1, everything else is more or less junk! Or only suitable for border protection or against civil unrest.

 

[Pokemonte13]

That may be true, but it's not because the Altay project has been delayed, it's because there is/was no plan B. If they had purchased a license for the K2 Black Panther from the outset and built, say, 300-500 units, they would already have an operational tank and a higher deterrent, even if they are not 100% tailored to Turkish requirements (neither is the Leopard II, by the way).
The Altay can then be delayed as long as it wants, because you would have something up your sleeve. But now you have nothing. Turkey has many tanks, but only a few of them meet the modern requirements of the 21st century. Apart from the M60T and the Leopard II A4T1, everything else is more or less junk! Or only suitable for border protection or against civil unrest.

K2 went into serial production in 2013 but with low production rate maybe till 2018 we could have had 100 k2 because k2 uses mtu engine so Germany could have blocked the sale and we would be back to the same problem the right thing would have been in 2019 to star a modernisation of all Leo 2 and m60 but army is in decision making a bit slow. Same with other projects like t155 or arpan or mobile air defence or just apc instead of having a large amount of vehicles of different sizes we have a small amount of wast vehicles

 

[mTT]

False claims were made about Turkey's national main battle tank ALTAY on the South Korea-based News Naver news platform.

The report stated that South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) approved the export of Samyang Chemtec company's 4th generation composite special armor to Turkey. However, according to information obtained from defense industry sources, the claims in the aforementioned report do not reflect the truth.

According to the information obtained, the ALTAY Tank's reactive and composite armor systems are being developed by Roketsan and their production is carried out entirely with national capabilities. Although some raw materials used in production were initially procured from abroad, these have now been domesticated at the current stage.

Güney Kore Basınında Altay Tankı Dezenformasyonu | SavunmaSanayiST

ALTAY Tankı için Güney Koreli Samyang Comtech'in özel zırh ihracatı, DAPA onayıyla Türkiye’ye doğrudan yapılacağı iddiası gündeme geldi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Turkey's national main battle tank ALTAY is expected to enter the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) inventory within this year.

Prior to the upcoming delivery, some South Korea-based news sites featured claims that South Korea would supply armor to the tank. The claim stated that South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) had approved the export of Samyang Chemtec company's new generation composite special armor to Turkey for the ALTAY tank. According to information shared by defense sources, this claim does not reflect the truth.

The ALTAY tank uses a domestically produced armor system manufactured by ROKETSAN. Only during the initial production phase of the armor were some raw materials procured from abroad, but during the process, those raw materials were also localized by ROKETSAN's Ballistic Protection Center. Currently, the ALTAY armor system is in a state where it can be produced entirely in series with national capabilities. Indeed, during the serial delivery period that is expected to begin after the first delivery scheduled for August 30, 2025, the domestic armor system will protect the tank.

Güney Kore basınının iddiaları… ALTAY tankında hangi zırh sistemi kullanılıyor?

Türkiye’nin milli ana muharebe tankı ALTAY’ın bu yıl içerisinde TSK envanterine girmesi bekleniyor. Yaklaşan teslimat öncesi Güney Kore merkezli bazı haber sitelerinde Güney Kore’nin tanka zırh tedarik edeceği iddiaları yer aldı. İddiada, Güney Kore Savunma Edinim Programı İdaresi’nin (DAPA)...

m5dergi.com

 

[Sanchez]

Güney Kore Basınında Altay Tankı Dezenformasyonu | SavunmaSanayiST

ALTAY Tankı için Güney Koreli Samyang Comtech'in özel zırh ihracatı, DAPA onayıyla Türkiye’ye doğrudan yapılacağı iddiası gündeme geldi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Güney Kore basınının iddiaları… ALTAY tankında hangi zırh sistemi kullanılıyor?

Türkiye’nin milli ana muharebe tankı ALTAY’ın bu yıl içerisinde TSK envanterine girmesi bekleniyor. Yaklaşan teslimat öncesi Güney Kore merkezli bazı haber sitelerinde Güney Kore’nin tanka zırh tedarik edeceği iddiaları yer aldı. İddiada, Güney Kore Savunma Edinim Programı İdaresi’nin (DAPA)...

m5dergi.com

It's of course not my place to teach publications on how 5N1K works in media, but let's clarify some things. Original report is not by Naver, which is a tech publication. Actual report is from Seoul Economic Daily, which is Korea's largest and by what's available one of the most trusted finance newspapers, Naver just quotes it. Report in question is an interview with the GM of the company claimed to have won the contract to supply armor kits for Altay.

This is the original report:

[단독] 튀르키예 주력전차에 'K장갑'…방산 중소기업 "약진 앞으로"

방산 분야 대표 중소기업인 삼양컴텍이 튀르키예 신형 전차 ‘알타이’에 탑재될 특수 방탄 장갑 수출에 성공하며 독자적인 해외 진출에 첫발을 내디뎠다. 국내 방산 대기업의 협력사로서 해외시장에 진출하는 간접 수출 방식에서 벗어나 직접 수출에 나서면서 방산 중소기업의 해외

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"Defense industry sources" won't cut it here. If they can get a direct sourced comment from Görgün, be my guest. I'm getting tired of learning details of our projects from outsiders.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926226811274293401

As per this tweet, Roketsan finally came clean and clarified the situation.

quote:
ALTAY tanks equipped with new generation armour developed and produced by ROKETSAN Ballistic Protection Center (BKM) will be delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces.
ROKETSAN, which sourced some raw materials from South Korea at the beginning, later nationalized the raw materials in question, within the scope of Türkiye's localization vision, and made them ready to be integrated into the ALTAY tank.
unquote.

Mind you, that does not detract from the fact that it is nearly 2 decades and Roketsan is still talking about sourcing armour raw materials from ROK. That is sad!!

 

[TR_123456]

Mind you, that does not detract from the fact that it is nearly 2 decades and Roketsan is still talking about sourcing armour raw materials from ROK. That is sad!!

Which means they are talking bs.
Didnt expect it from Roketsan.

 

[TR_123456]

How? That tweet doesn't quote anybody.

Did you read what i quoted?
My answer was to the fact that after two decades of the armour projects start we still buy raw materials from SK.

Not finished products but the raw materials,do you understand what this means?

 

[TR_123456]

And i said where is the official source for that? That tweet doesn't give official information.

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Use google translate if needed.

 

[TR_123456]

Does it say anything regarding raw materials? I read only armor modules.

Tiles dont count as raw materials to you?
You know it doesnt help to use excuses for failures.
It is better to accept it and move on.
This is ridiculous and you know it,after 20 years you cant make your own tiles(no matter the materials used).

 

[TR_123456]

Those tiles are made from raw materials, so they don't count as raw materials.

Why are you so stubborn?
Why take it literally?
Roketsan has a nice brochure but what does it matter when we still order raw(in this case they are) materials from
another country?
Couldnt we have made them inhouse by now?
How stupid is it to not have all the needed material ready after two decades?
So,do you agree that it is shameful for us to be buying these tiles from another country?
Or are you going to come up with some new info again?
You know,its not weakness if you acknowledge failure.
It shows strength and earns respect.
Only weak countries deny everything negative happening.

 

[Sanchez]

(in this case they are)

They aren't, raw material is the ore. What they are probably supplying is much, much more complicated and is a product in itself.

 

[No Name]

No offence, but this discussion is a bit pointless if we do not know what material they are importing.

I think we have to keep waiting to find out what is going on.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926297383303815683

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926298142556778911

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926297383303815683

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926298142556778911

Thank you!

 

[Yasar_TR]

They aren't, raw material is the ore. What they are probably supplying is much, much more complicated and is a product in itself.

Bro,
In true sense of the word the raw materials would be the “constituents” of a finished article.

If S Koreans provided the silicone and/or boron carbide materials to be sandwiched in Roketsan facilities then they can be called raw materials too. Since these materials may have to be shaped and cut to size and placed around the tank to form a final barrier, they can be classified as raw materials.

Encyclopaedically ; Raw materials are the unprocessed or “minimally processed” substances used as inputs in a production process to create a finished product.
So it is in a way up to the user to name and whether he deems a material as raw or not.

Besides this raw material saga dates back to 2 decades ago, when S Koreans transferred Know-How and some raw materials to put together an armour for the Altay tank.

Since then Roketsan has indigenised the armour technologies and the materials to suit our needs. (S Koreans, in a way, taught us to fish) . Same happened with the YILDIRIM missiles and China. It paved the way to Tayfun and CENK missiles that are now totally indigenous.

 

[TheInsider]

Composite armor consists of several different layers, like Al2O3 (Alumina), B4C (Boron Carbide), SiC (Silicon Carbide, TiB2 (Titanium Diboride), etc. Roketsan probably outsourced either raw materials or tiles for all of the layers at the beginning, and one by one nationally developed armor-grade materials, tiles, and mass production capability. It seems like Roketsan still outsources either tiles or raw material of the SiC layer from the mentioned Korean company.

So when Roketsan says we provide our own armor solution for the Altay, it is not a lie, but it seems they still outsource that specific SiC layer of the complete armor package from Korea.