TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[AlperTunga]

Just UAE? You realise the Saudis, Qataris. and bunch of Arabis support Israel too, yes? Weird how people fail to bring this up and just UAE.

I said UAE because I thought the guy was from there and it was meant symbolically. But UAE is also the most aligned to the evil axis.

 

[Corvus]

Love it, people need to see the real face of most palestinians. 90% of them are like this.

You never met a Palestinian in your life did you?

 

[Khagan1923]

You never met a Palestinian in your life did you?

Yeah I have and most support pkk, support southern cyprus, support armenia, support iranian terror proxies. Any other questions?

You think the people whose great grandfathers teamed up with the Brits and backstabbed and killed hundreds if not thousands of muslim ottoman soldiers who were guarding the holy lands were gonna be pro-Turkey?

And then sold said same land to the Brits who handed it over to zionist to colonize.

Are all of them like this? No, but I promise you if it was us being attacked and killed 80-90% would not give a fuck, they would even support it.

Doesn't mean I condone the genocide Israel is conducting but also doesn't mean I think it the responsiblity of those whose great grandfathers were backstabbed and murdered a 100 years ago need to bleed and fight for the offspring of the same people, same offspring whose majority has sided with everyon Turkey has faced in the last 100 years.

Palestinian authorities have at every opportunity sided with southern cyprus, sided with armenia, and even had terror camps for the pkk in its founding stages.

They sided with the Brits and French in the name of arab nationalism a 100 years ago and killed their muslim brethen who guarded the holy lands for hundreds of years and had muslims, christians, jews live in relative peace over that time. Where is the same arab nationalism now? Why aren't the Saudis deploying troops in Gaza and the West Bank? Why is Jordan cucked out of its mind and does more to protect Israel than their arab fellows? UAE we don't even have to mention, more interested in funding anti-muslim and anti-Turkey propaganda in Europe and importing online hookers. Qatar? Bahrain?

Saying words is easy, where are the actions of the arab brotherhood who revolted and sided with "infidels" against their muslim brothers and sisters during WW1 for the same "arab brotherhood"?

 

[Corvus]

Yeah I have and most support pkk, support southern cyprus, support armenia, support iranian terror proxies. Any other questions?

I been to Palestine and Jordan myself. I met hundreds of them on different occasions. I also joined events of the Palestinian students' in Türkiye and I maintain connections.

I can only say you are lying. There is no way a person who actually met Palestinians can say such things.

Palestinian authorities have at every opportunity sided with southern cyprus, sided with armenia, and even had terror camps for the pkk in its founding stages.

These "Palestinian authorities" are puppets of Israel. That's why they're allowed to be the authority. Majority of Palestinians hate them.

Here is what real Palestinians think:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/azerbaijan-front-line/hamas-congratulates-azerbaijan-over-karabakh-victory/2038618

 

[TurkWolf]

Yeah I have and most support pkk, support southern cyprus, support armenia, support iranian terror proxies. Any other questions?

I don't think most Turks care about this. I mean, they're Arabs, the average Turk don't even like(or least very indifferent) Arabs if we're being totally honest.
the issue for most I think is that some try to portray this image that these people are good friends of Turks based on religion.
Like replace the word Palestinian with Greece.Armenia you will get many say "you're supporting anti-Turks" because one if a Christian and other is a Muslim so it changes for certain people.
Muslim nation betrayal is basically acceptable than a Greece/Armenia betrayal.

You think the people whose great grandfathers teamed up with the Brits and backstabbed and killed hundreds if not thousands of muslim ottoman soldiers who were guarding the holy lands were gonna be pro-Turkey?

I think again most people can forget the past to a certain extent, but these nations still are anti-Turk to the core. so this isn't a "This was 100-years ago, get over it" we're seeing it to this very day.

Are all of them like this? No, but I promise you if it was us being attacked and killed 80-90% would not give a fuck, they would even support it.

100% true.

I can only say you are lying. There is no way a person who actually met Palestinians can say such things.

Yeah, no-one has ever met any Palestinians in their lives, we're all living under a rock only you have met them.
You just don't like hearing the truth so you try attack the poster.

 

[Corvus]

I think again most people can forget the past to a certain extent, but these nations still are anti-Turk to the core. so this isn't a "This was 100-years ago, get over it" we're seeing it to this very day.

Yeah, no-one has ever met any Palestinians in their lives, we're all living under a rock only you have met them.
You just don't like hearing the truth so you try attack the poster.

Absolutely not true. How many Arab countries have you been in your life? I was recently in Saudi and Syria. Previously I was in many other Arab countries. People love Turks there. I had so many amazing interactions just because I'm Turkish.

Let's stop inventing enemies to ourselves. This imaginary "Arabs don't like Turks" bullshit should stop. It doesn't benefit anyone.

 

[Huelague]

Absolutely not true. How many Arab countries have you been in your life? I was recently in Saudi and Syria. Previously I was in many other Arab countries. People love Turks there. I had so many amazing interactions just because I'm Turkish.

The turning point was the „One Minute“ speech. Arabs (average people) are much closer and friendly to us than many Türks wants to think of.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Absolutely not true. How many Arab countries have you been in your life? I was recently in Saudi and Syria. Previously I was in many other Arab countries. People love Turks there. I had so many amazing interactions just because I'm Turkish.

Let's stop inventing enemies to ourselves. This imaginary "Arabs don't like Turks" bullshit should stop. It doesn't benefit anyone.

Yeah, they ‘’love Turks’’ because of Erdogan. The moment you mention Ataturk, their true faces starts to appear.

 

[Khagan1923]

Yeah, they ‘’love Turks’’ because of Erdogan. The moment you mention Ataturk, their true faces starts to appear.

They hate Erdogan too, because as much as he tries everything to be anything other than a Turk they still see him as one.

The only thing they love about him how much he bows down to them and has sold parts of the country to rich arabs.

You all need to browse the arab corner of twitter and you will see what I mean. I don't care much about the opinion of those who have been trying to arabize themselves over the last two decades.

 

[Khagan1923]

I don't think most Turks care about this. I mean, they're Arabs, the average Turk don't even like(or least very indifferent) Arabs if we're being totally honest.
the issue for most I think is that some try to portray this image that these people are good friends of Turks based on religion.
Like replace the word Palestinian with Greece.Armenia you will get many say "you're supporting anti-Turks" because one if a Christian and other is a Muslim so it changes for certain people.
Muslim nation betrayal is basically acceptable than a Greece/Armenia betrayal.

Most Turks don't like Arabs exactly because of the historic reasons I mentioned. Arabs have backstabbed us Turks in every opportunity. Anyone who tries to portay Arabs as friends to Turks needs to open a book.

Those Turks who pretty much worship Arabs are the ones trying to arabnize themsevles ever since akp has started leading the country because in their eyes arabs are naturally good muslims due to their ethnicity.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Most Turks don't like Arabs exactly because of the historic reasons I mentioned. Arabs have backstabbed us Turks in every opportunity. Anyone who tries to portay Arabs as friends to Turks needs to open a book.

Those Turks who pretty much worship Arabs are the ones trying to arabnize themsevles ever since akp has started leading the country because in their eyes arabs are naturally good muslims due to their ethnicity.

Take the oil and gas away from the arabs and watch them turn into 5th worlders.

 

[Corvus]

You all need to browse the arab corner of twitter and you will see what I mean.

Thanks for confirming that your idea of Arabs is based on twitter.

Imagine checking Turkish twitter to make assumptions about our people. You would end up concluding that Turks are bunch of incel racists. Lol.

Just visit Arab countries and see the reactions you have. You will understand how ignorant you are on this issue when random Arabs treat you extremely nice just for being Turkish.

They hate Erdogan too, because as much as he tries everything to be anything other than a Turk they still see him as one.

The only thing they love about him how much he bows down to them and has sold parts of the country to rich arabs.

God, I wish I was able to teleport you to a random Arab country right now to show you how ridicilous these words are.

Funny thing is, these absolutely and factually wrong words get 6 likes in the forum. A certain group among our people love inventing imaginary enemies to support their childish flimsy ideologies. Facts are not their friend. Even if I share dozens of personal stories with evidence here, even if I share dozens of public opinion polls, they will still keep believing whatever slogan is given to them. They are happy in their echo chamber of ignorance and arrogance.

 

[Corvus]

Yeah, they ‘’love Turks’’ because of Erdogan. The moment you mention Ataturk, their true faces starts to appear.

Arabs, like Turks, are not a single entity. There are 22 Arab countries with different history, religious composition, political system etc.

When you guys say Arabs, I struggle to understand which Arabs are you talking about? Let alone "Arabs" even making generalizations on the Lebanese are impossible. If you say Lebanese people love Erdoğan, I would ask which Lebanese? Sunni? Shia? Maroni? Druze? Turkmens? Nusayris? Armenians? Greek Orthodox???

I was once in Jordan, in Madaba city, there on a hill police officers invited me for a tea (just because I was Turkish), as we were chilling and sipping on tea, I asked them their opinion on Erdoğan, one of them looked at me and said "Muslims love Erdoğan". He was quite satisfied and convinced with his answer.

The topic continued, they blamed Abdulhamid for allowing Jews to settle on Palestine, they blamed Ittihat Terakki and 3 pashas for causing fitnah among Arabs and Turks, they were also discussing among themselves, some of them turned out to be Erbakan fans and some were thinking he was too naive. One of them even said Türkiye will be able to extract its oil in 2023 because treaty of Lausanne ends

In that conversation I understood that average Arab knows about Türkiye much much much more than we know about them and they have diverging opinion. Despite the differences and critics, even the ones that are Turkish-skeptic are fans of Turkish soft power. Everone watches Turkish series, listen to Turkish music, you can see so many Turkish flags around, random people wears Turkish national team jerseys, in the center of Amman, there are more Turkish flags than Jordanian flags as they hang it outside of their shops' windows as Turkish products are known for their quality. Going to Türkiye for vacation and buying Turkish is a sign of prestige.

I saw all that myself. But here we are, I'm trying to tell Turks -whom never been to an Arab country- that Arabs don't hate us.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Dear members, please refrain from arbitrary generalisation about each nation and their affinity for one race/nationality or another.

What state politics dictate and what individuals dictate could be quite different.

Personal experiences do not mean you can use them for generalisation.

Peoples around the world may find themselves being closer to each other due to:

1. Ethnicity
2. Religion
3. Common language
4. Political views
5. Common economic and trade aspirations

Yet two same racial background peoples may fight with each other due to difference in religious beliefs. So there is no set rule.

Best to stay away from such arguments.

 

[Yasar_TR]

A year ago German Chancellor Merz stated :

"Turkey is an extremely important NATO partner for us. I will do everything I can to maintain and further strengthen Turkey-NATO relations. I will accept President Erdoğan's invitation to visit him in the near future."

A year later EU Commisdion President Von der Leyen (another German) states:

The construction of Europe should be completed so that “it does not fall under Russian, Turkish, or Chinese influence.” She added for good measure that “we must think bigger and more geopolitically,” insinuating that Ankara was actually a geopolitical rival.

Is this a gaffe or intentional? Equating Turkey to Russia and China, she is risking relations with Ankara to deteriorate even further. Without better, more consistent diplomatic messaging, how can the EU pretend to be a geopolitical power?

Once the “Sick man of Europe“ now in the same pot as Russia and China and an Asian state, as far as Europe is concerned. I remember in the 1990’s , joining a Turkish British Chamber of Commerce meeting in London where the British official stated about Turkey being a Middle Eastern Country. The Turkish Embassy representative rebuked him strongly that we are part of Europe. But again it seems that the Christian Club playing their old games.

The other, EU enlargement chief Marta Kos, adopted a radically different narrative in an address to the European Parliament, stating that “we need Turkey in light of the changing geopolitical realities in Europe and the Middle East.” She prefaced her remarks by underlining Ankara’s importance as a trade and security partner.

I wish they would make their minds up!