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What do you think, any chance that Spain can help us on our TVC for Kaan?
Yes they could if they have retained the know how attained during their RR cooperation.
Rolls Royce owned 45%of ITP Aero at that time. Then in 2022 they sold their share to a private equity company.
Yet ITP Aero still remains as a major supplier to RR.

But there is no such thing as a free meal. So what would it cost us?


Btw, your source is 30 years old.
Irrelevant. A correct source re this tech is still a valid source.
In fact it just shows that they had already mastered TVC and carried out ground tests on a prototype all those years ago.
In fact, because of this work, in 2015 RR agreed to develop it for TFX.
 

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Considering how UAV, drones and loitering ammo has left a solid mark on the battlefields, I imagine that all LCA are going to be variants that can combat these threats.


meaning having A2A missiles, but also have pods with mini missiles for combatting drones and such.

Typhoon tests rocket system that could cut cost of downing a drone from $1m to just $20k​


Mike Morton 13th April 2026 at 12:06pm

The Typhoon used in the APKWS trial was fitted with two underwing rocket pods
The Typhoon used in the APKWS trial was fitted with two underwing rocket pods (Picture: BAE Systems)

Typhoons and F-35s have successfully shot down a number of one-way attack drones launched by Iran and its allies over the past few weeks, but this has come at a huge financial cost.
However, BAE Systems has successfully completed the test-firing of a low-cost precision weapon launched from a Typhoon, demonstrating a far more affordable solution to counter UAVs like the Shahed-136.
RAF Typhoon FGR4s are currently armed with a variety of missiles that were largely designed for air-to-air combat against enemy warplanes, and while they may be highly effective, they are also highly expensive.

Hydra meets laser​

The AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile), for example, costs around $1m, while AIM-9X Sidewinders are roughly $450,000.
Typhoons also carry short-range missiles such as the IRIS-T (infrared imaging system tail/thrust vector-controlled) and the ASRAAM (Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile), and these are also costly.
When a 617 Squadron F-35B shot down a drone with one such missile, Air Vice Marshal (Ret'd) Sean Bell, a former fighter pilot, likened it to someone using a "sledgehammer to crack a nut".
To offer a more cost-effective solution, BAE Systems and the RAF have been experimenting with the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) laser-guidance kit, a system which is already in use on a number of US aircraft such as the F-16 Fighting Falcon.
This kit adds an additional section to unguided 70mm rockets like the Hydra, transforming them into precision-guided munitions.
The system, which first went into production back in 2008, creates a weapon with better accuracy that can be deployed against air or ground targets.
As well as fixed-wing aircraft, the system can be fitted to helicopters like the AH-64 Apache, uncrewed aerial vehicles, static and mounted ground platforms, and maritime vessels.
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The 70mm rocket pods fitted to the Typhoon in conjunction with the APKWS guidance kit offer an effective alternative to air-to-air missiles
The 70mm rocket pods fitted to the Typhoon in conjunction with the APKWS guidance kit offer an effective alternative to air-to-air missiles (Picture: BAE Systems)

How it works​

The APKWS kit includes advanced distributed aperture semi-active laser seeker optics located on all four guidance wings on the rocket.
These are protected by wing-slot seals prior to firing, avoiding the adjacent fire damage that can interfere with a nose-mounted seeker.
Once the rocket is fired, the APKWS kit's wings deploy and the optics lock on to designated targets, guiding the rocket to the target.
A US soldier loads a 70mm APKWS training round into a pod fitted to an AH-64 Apache - the system has been in use with the US military for more than a decade
A US soldier loads a 70mm APKWS training round into a pod fitted to an AH-64 Apache – the system has been in use with the US military for more than a decade (Picture: US Department of War)

System proven​

The trial involving the Typhoon saw the aircraft fitted out with the kit at the flight test development centre in Warton in Lancashire.
The Typhoon was then able to launch a successful strike on a ground-based target at a military testing range at an undisclosed location.
BAE Systems official Richard Hamilton explained: "As the UK's sovereign provider of combat air capability, we play a crucial role in supporting the UK Armed Forces, working closely with the Ministry of Defence to develop technologies that strengthen our national defence capabilities.
"This trial with the APKWS laser-guidance kit on Typhoon demonstrates a game-changing capability and a cost-effective solution that would enhance Typhoon's already impressive range of weapons capabilities."

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So I think that Hürjet is going to find it's market. Only question is how slow our government is going to be in producing Hürjet for own Airforce and make a LCA version of it. Which would require a new license.
If we have free rein over integrating our own munitions on to Typhoons, then the Cirit missiles will do the same job for us. (Using multiple Sadak accessories)

That cost given in the above article, doesn’t mention if it includes the actual hourly flight cost of a Typhoon jet fighter.
 

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If we have free rein over integrating our own munitions on to Typhoons, then the Cirit missiles will do the same job for us. (Using multiple Sadak accessories)

That cost given in the above article, doesn’t mention if it includes the actual hourly flight cost of a Typhoon jet fighter.
Roketsan should work on more compact cirit pod.
 

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If we have free rein over integrating our own munitions on to Typhoons, then the Cirit missiles will do the same job for us. (Using multiple Sadak accessories)

That cost given in the above article, doesn’t mention if it includes the actual hourly flight cost of a Typhoon jet fighter.
Do we talk about the same kind of TVC like F-22 has, with the markaging „stealthy“ design?
 

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If we have free rein over integrating our own munitions on to Typhoons, then the Cirit missiles will do the same job for us. (Using multiple Sadak accessories)

That cost given in the above article, doesn’t mention if it includes the actual hourly flight cost of a Typhoon jet fighter.
CPFH is not a major factor if you can down drones for $25K instead of $500K. Down 2 drones in a hour and the weapons expended cost is at least $800K lower than using Sidewinder.
 
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Are small fighters practical on carriers without catapults? India abandoned the idea of using their navalised version of Tejas because the load it could carry was too limited for the aircraft to be useful.
That was correct for tesaj however, main thing is they are planning a catapult for the MUGEM and secondly Tesaj has an empty weight off 6600 kilos whilest Hurjet only weighs 5000 while both having the same engine, you could argue Tesaj has more lift area and all but Hurjet is over all a lighter airframe, I think even without the catapult we should be able to carry at least 1-1.5 tons of ordinance which will be good enough until the catapult is done i guess
 

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Also I did see a twitter account named KaraKulak say that Hurjet is already in production for the air force? Do we know anything about that?
 

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Do we talk about the same kind of TVC like F-22 has, with the markaging „stealthy“ design?
I doubt it. Not same kind. But similar may be.
TVC applied to the EJ200 engine by ITP Aero was 3D form. F22 has a 2D form TVC made from all the exotic materials you can think about.

The F119-PW-100 engine for the F-22 Raptor, which includes its unique two-dimensional pitch thrust-vectoring nozzle (TVC), was produced in bulk at a unit cost of approximately $10million in 2006. (16.5million dollars with today’s money)

Most importantly, well over 200 million dollars was spent to produce just one demonstrator engine in 1983. (That is nearly 900million dollar of today’s money) that is not inclusive of development cost of the engine from scratch.


TVC can be a way to give extra agility to a jet fighter. But it is not a necessity. If the plane and especially it’s airframe is designed accordingly, it may not need TVC at all. So KAAN may not need it.
Using the agility capability of a plane means fighting close quarters and consequently losing speed and energy each time TVC is is activated. This would negatively affect the operational radius of the fighter. A plane like KAAN with its stealth and sensor fusion would prefer to fight from a distance.
 
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COFH is not a major factor if you can down drones for $25K instead of $500K. Down 2 drones in a hour and the weapons expended cost is at least $800K lower than using Sidewinder.
If you have no other means of downing drones, then OK. At 60-65000dollar per hour (remember with extra tanks and refuelling, a typhoon can fly 9-10 hours) .
That is well over 600thousand dollars, plus cost of munition, spent to shoot down slow moving cheap drones.

If you have your UCAVs like TB3, Anka, Akinci that have over 24 hour endurance or Hurkus to intercept then why fly those expensive jets for drone shooting duties? At worst send a KE to intercept.

To me that is rich man’s solution for a cheap problem.
 
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If you have no other means of downing drones, then OK. At 60-65000dollar per hour (remember with extra tanks and refuelling, a typhoon can fly 9-10 hours) .
That is well over 600thousand dollars, plus cost of munition, spent to shoot down slow moving cheap drones.

If you have your UCAVs like TB3, Anka, Akinci that have over 24 hour endurance or Hurkus to intercept then why fly those expensive jets for drone shooting duties? At worst send a KE to intercept.

To me that is rich man’s solution for a cheap problem.
Fighters are already required to patrol and pilots need to fulfill certain flight hours, part of why army is sustainable ( they ensure funds are not reallocated at times of peace by keeping a certain level of readiness and keeping expenditure relatively high) so instead of more training flight pilot get more duty. With cheap munition the actual cost is fine
 

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Firstly procure not produce secondly its for turkey and spain but only for the trainer version i belive.
I understand, but even procuring for producing Hürjet is important. I am not sure that we'll get any production licens as things are now. and seeing as how our fighterjet fleet is old, I think US holding out is just going to age our fleet even more.

Everything would change if we started receiving EF jets. in that case US would probably not hold back so much.
 

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"The agreement also ensures continued technical and operational support for the HÜRJET program as it expands its footprint and advances future variants. "
It has to do with US congress unless the contract has both trainer and combat version. But my guess it would have to go through again for the armed version.
 

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It has to do with US congress unless the contract has both trainer and combat version. But my guess it would have to go through again for the armed version.
I agree. If we change it to LCA now. all the previous work we've done will go to waste. I also mentioned in the past that we should not openly work on a LCA version before we've gotten the first deal completly cleared and production/delivery has begun.

My argument is that we can always add 2-4 hardpoints depending on need, but should not antagonize or cause any scrupulous senate member to use LCA development as reason for blocking sale.
 

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