TR Politics

[Bogeyman]

Everybody and their mothers are part of Feto, except AKParty. Who’s extremely naive to believe that ?

Even if what you're saying is true, what are you going to do with it? Are we going to leave the field open to people like Ekrem İmamoğlu?

 

[Bogeyman]

@Bogeyman

Nothing could describe your efforts better than this. Bro, if we run a poll, you'll see very clearly who is who around here. Create a poll right now if you want. People are just laughing at you, you're not even aware of it. Yes, elections have been lost for years because of certain pawns. No need to name the pawn, everyone knows who the one with glasses is.

This country has 80-90 million people. Even if we were to gather all the Turkish citizens who attend this forum, you wouldn't have the weight of a chickpea in the whole of this country. Out of 80 million people, the opinions of 10,000 people (even if everyone agreed with you, which they don't) are insignificant. So you can laugh until you burst. But don't think you'll get anywhere with that.

 

[SCAR]

Even if what you're saying is true, what are you going to do with it? Are we going to leave the field open to people like Ekrem İmamoğlu?

Let Ekrem İmamoğlu enter the election as Erdoğan's rival and be defeated. Of course you can't afford it.

 

[Bogeyman]

Let Ekrem İmamoğlu enter the election as Erdoğan's rival and be defeated. Of course you can't afford it.

We gave Istanbul to Ekrem. Look at the state of Istanbul. If giving the country to Ekrem will make it even worse than it is today, then why should we be governed like Mozambique for years just to put up with the whims of a handful of opposition figures? I don't understand that.

 

[OPTIMUS]

@Bogeyman

Nothing could describe your efforts better than this. Bro, if we run a poll, you'll see very clearly who is who around here. Create a poll right now if you want. People are just laughing at you, you're not even aware of it. Yes, elections have been lost for years because of certain pawns. No need to name the pawn, everyone knows who the one with glasses is.

I could tell you right now who is who, but then I’d be breaking the law. What I can tell you is that the Turkish state has a great deal of patience. Just keep watching. There are simply too many of them, but everyone’s turn will come. That’s for sure.

 

[OPTIMUS]

Let Ekrem İmamoğlu enter the election as Erdoğan's rival and be defeated. Of course you can't afford it.

Ekremoglu is not who you think he is.
He made himself available and was very generously rewarded. He functions as a highly skilled operative—which is exactly what he was intended to be—and he does it very skillfully.

The English have really hit the jackpot with him.

If you want to understand that, ask yourselves: Why did Aksener return to the table she had left?

 

[Bogeyman]

The General Staff Electronic Systems Command (GES) was Türkiye's highest-capacity electronic intelligence and signal interception unit. Established during the Cold War, the unit was transferred to the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) in 2012 and is now known as the Signal Intelligence Directorate (SİB).

Mr. Hakan Fidan refers to it as the "intelligence village."

During a period of heightened tension with FETÖ, GES's electronic intelligence capabilities were consolidated under a single authority/for security purposes and transferred to MİT. This was perhaps one of the most significant reforms Mr. Fidan implemented while heading MİT.

GES was attached to MİT on January 1, 2012, and on May 15, 2012, it adopted its new name, the "Signal Intelligence Directorate."

Immediately after the transfer of GES to MİT, FETÖ triggered what we call the MİT Crisis of February 7th, targeting Mr. Fidan. He openly targeted Fidan.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2079494432328499606

CHP's Umut Oran, regarding the General Staff Intelligence Directorate (GES), which was placed under the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) that same year to eliminate the FETÖ threat, said, "They are delaying intelligence for the Turkish Armed Forces; the number of martyrs increased after GES was placed under MİT."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2079500133914267761

It's clear who is this close to FETÖ. The issue was supposedly the Ergenekon trials. But while the Ergenekon trials were ongoing, the CHP was acting as FETÖ's henchman, "on instructions received."

 

[Tornadoss]

It's clear who is this close to FETÖ. The issue was supposedly the Ergenekon trials. But while the Ergenekon trials were ongoing, the CHP was acting as FETÖ's henchman, "on instructions received."

What did they do, did they say 'I am the prosecutor of this case'? Did they defend Zekeriya Öz? Did they allow entry into the Cosmic Room?

It has been officially certified that the documents seized by FETÖ members during the 20-day search conducted at the Turkish General Staff's Ankara Mobilization Regional Directorate—popularly known as the 'Cosmic Room'—were indeed state secrets belonging to the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK).

https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/turkiye/kozmik-odada-devlet-sirrini-ele-gecirdikleri-tescillendi-/1207518

 

[Bogeyman]

Did they allow entry into the Cosmic Room?

https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/turkiye/kozmik-odada-devlet-sirrini-ele-gecirdikleri-tescillendi-/1207518

In Erdoğan's early years, the Chief of General Staff was a member of FETÖ.
During the coup attempt, the head of the Turkish Armed Forces' military intelligence department was a member of FETÖ.
During the coup attempt, the Air Force commander was a member of FETÖ.
But you're having a crisis because they entered the "cosmic room".

 

[Tornadoss]

In Erdoğan's early years, the Chief of General Staff was a member of FETÖ.
During the coup attempt, the head of the Turkish Armed Forces' military intelligence department was a member of FETÖ.
During the coup attempt, the Air Force commander was a member of FETÖ.
But you're having a crisis because they entered the "cosmic room".

Are they any Chief of Staff charged about this?
All the generals during the coup attempt were appointed by government with the approval of the RTE. And they eliminated the possible candidates for these positions by Ergenekon and Balyoz. All the judges are appointed by akp, and here you are still blaming others.

 

[Bogeyman]

Are they any Chief of Staff charged about this?
All the generals during the coup attempt were appointed by government with the approval of the RTE. And they eliminated the possible candidates for these positions by Ergenekon and Balyoz. All the judges are appointed by akp, and here you are still blaming others.

Even the colonel who carried the National Security Council's decisions during the meeting after the coup attempt turned out to be a member of FETÖ. But it's true, Erdoğan, who couldn't even assign the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) to investigate him, was responsible for his promotion.

Meanwhile, when Yaşar Büyükanıt became a general, Erdoğan was serving as the district chairman of a political party. Was Erdoğan responsible for that too?

 

[Tornadoss]

Even the colonel who carried the National Security Council's decisions during the meeting after the coup attempt turned out to be a member of FETÖ. But it's true, Erdoğan, who couldn't even assign the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) to investigate him, was responsible for his promotion.

Meanwhile, when Yaşar Büyükanıt became a general, Erdoğan was serving as the district chairman of a political party. Was Erdoğan responsible for that too?

Yasar Buyukanit was not a feto member. You are now just making up things.

 

[Bogeyman]

Yasar Buyukanit was not a feto member. You are now just making up things.

Ahmet Zeki Üçok, the Military Prosecutor of the Air Force Command and the only person within the Turkish Armed Forces to conduct an official investigation into the Fethullah Gülen movement, stated in an interview with Ahmet Hakan of Hürriyet in April 2016, referring to those same years: "In 1986, when Yaşar Büyükanıt was the Commander of Kuleli Military High School, approximately 250 students answered all the Turkish language questions correctly on the military high school entrance exams. An investigation revealed that the questions had been stolen by the movement and given to these students. About 50-60 of these students were expelled. The rest were not expelled, with the thought that 'we might win them over'."

Askere sızma 1986'da fark edildi ama...

Fethullah Gülen Cemaati 1980’li yılların ortalarından itibaren askeri okullara sızmaya başladı. İlk olarak 1986 yılında fark edilen sızmalara karşı Türk...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

Keep ignoring what I've written. It's easier to digest that way, isn't it?

 

[Fatman17]

Deposed Turkish opposition leader plans new party

Ozgur Ozel hopes to launch new main opposition after court removed him as leader of the CHP.

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[Tornadoss]

Ahmet Zeki Üçok, the Military Prosecutor of the Air Force Command and the only person within the Turkish Armed Forces to conduct an official investigation into the Fethullah Gülen movement, stated in an interview with Ahmet Hakan of Hürriyet in April 2016, referring to those same years: "In 1986, when Yaşar Büyükanıt was the Commander of Kuleli Military High School, approximately 250 students answered all the Turkish language questions correctly on the military high school entrance exams. An investigation revealed that the questions had been stolen by the movement and given to these students. About 50-60 of these students were expelled. The rest were not expelled, with the thought that 'we might win them over'."

Askere sızma 1986'da fark edildi ama...

Fethullah Gülen Cemaati 1980’li yılların ortalarından itibaren askeri okullara sızmaya başladı. İlk olarak 1986 yılında fark edilen sızmalara karşı Türk...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

Keep ignoring what I've written. It's easier to digest that way, isn't it?

Why wasn't he prosecuted then?

Keep ignoring what I've written. It's easier to digest that way, isn't it?

Yeah as how you ignoring everything between relation between feto and akp.

 

[Bogeyman]

Why wasn't he prosecuted then?

Because this country was never strong enough to prosecute him while he was doing his "duty".

 

[Khagan1923]

Because this country was never strong enough to prosecute him while he was doing his "duty".

Erdogan himself as admitted in front of thousands by saying "We gave them everything they wanted and it still wasn't enough" in regards to FETÖ. Without FETÖ aligning itself with a certain party and certain politicians most of them would never have reached the heights they have now.

2016 coup attempt? Was nothing more than the breaking point of two partners who realized neither was willing to share anymore. See many high level FETÖ members still being unharmed as they pledged themselves to Erdogan during the struggle.

Many operations were done together with FETÖ and yes even pkk (gizli tanik in many fake cases against Kemalist and Secular Military officers).

Erdogan himself commented on these fake court cases with "Türkiye bağırsaklarını temizliyor" and "Biz her türlü milliyetçiliği, ayaklarının altına almış bir iktidarız." (Talking about Turkish nationalism here btw as this was during the first ihanet süreci with the pkk, during this speech pkk aligned kurds were freely waving "kurdistan" flags in Turkish towns while the akp was busy curtailing any show of support for the Republic and Turkishness).

And who were the judges on these cases? The "police officers"? All FETÖ appointed of course. As if Erdogan did not know this at the time. This was their reward for helping him and the akp out.

Don't even need to talk about the damage done for decades to this country due to FETÖ. Sabotaging of projects, leaking military secrets, leaking intelligence secrets, selling of classified documents to the US and EU, sabotaging the school system. And the akp and Erdogan didn't know this? These things happened years before 2016 btw and he didn't care as long as it didn't touch him and his chair.

I think we don't really need to go very deep into this topic because there is nothing to discuss honestly. Without akp and Erdogan FETÖ never infiltrates as deep as they did and does the damage they have done over decades.

In the end you dont get to say, "they were too strong" when you were the one feeding them the entire time lmao.

 

[Bogeyman]

Erdogan himself as admitted in front of thousands by saying "We gave them everything they wanted and it still wasn't enough" in regards to FETÖ. Without FETÖ aligning itself with a certain party and certain politicians most of them would never have reached the heights they have now.

2016 coup attempt? Was nothing more than the breaking point of two partners who realized neither was willing to share anymore. See many high level FETÖ members still being unharmed as they pledged themselves to Erdogan during the struggle.

Many operations were done together with FETÖ and yes even pkk (gizli tanik in many fake cases against Kemalist and Secular Military officers).

Erdogan himself commented on these fake court cases with "Türkiye bağırsaklarını temizliyor" and "Biz her türlü milliyetçiliği, ayaklarının altına almış bir iktidarız." (Talking about Turkish nationalism here btw as this was during the first ihanet süreci with the pkk, during this speech pkk aligned kurds were freely waving "kurdistan" flags in Turkish towns while the akp was busy curtailing any show of support for the Republic and Turkishness).

And who were the judges on these cases? The "police officers"? All FETÖ appointed of course. As if Erdogan did not know this at the time. This was their reward for helping him and the akp out.

Don't even need to talk about the damage done for decades to this country due to FETÖ. Sabotaging of projects, leaking military secrets, leaking intelligence secrets, selling of classified documents to the US and EU, sabotaging the school system. And the akp and Erdogan didn't know this? These things happened years before 2016 btw and he didn't care as long as it didn't touch him and his chair.

I think we don't really need to go very deep into this topic because there is nothing to discuss honestly. Without akp and Erdogan FETÖ never infiltrates as deep as they did and does the damage they have done over decades and without FETÖ akp and Erdogan probably never reach the heights they have reached. In the end that is the truth.

The fact that FETÖ began infiltrating military high schools in 1971
The then-director of Kuleli Military High School protecting FETÖ (the future Chief of General Staff) in 1986
FETÖ members being welcomed with a red carpet at the General Staff Headquarters in 1995

FETÖ openly supporting the February 28 coup in 1996-97

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1365354691949903878

Having a FETÖ-affiliated Chief of General Staff in 2004, before Erdoğan had even gained control of the state
The coup attempt by Kemalist officers under the leadership of a FETÖ-affiliated Chief of General Staff in 2007, followed by a closure case filed in the Constitutional Court (a judicial coup alongside the military coup)

This country was jointly governed and directed by FETÖ and Kemalist coup plotters in Erdoğan's early years.

Erdoğan did whatever was necessary to bring this state under control. By pitting these two groups, each a traitor in their own right, against each other, he saved the state from the hands of traitors. Otherwise, these two groups would squander the future of this country like a horse trading game between themselves, and would make this country a plaything for the US and Israel, just like in the 1990s.

Throughout this struggle (before July 15, 2016), the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) had no authority to investigate officers. And it had no right to interfere with the promotions of officers in the Turkish Armed Forces (I'm not referring to force commanders, but lower-level unit commanders). The MİT hunting down traitors within the TSK was seen in the country as "Erdoğan taking over the army." Therefore, such a thing was unimaginable.

That's why the TSK was left entirely to its own internal control regarding officer promotions. FETÖ members, by practicing dissimulation, simultaneously presented themselves as Kemalists. You would see them drinking alcohol or their wives with their heads uncovered. In this state, it was impossible for Erdoğan to know who was a FETÖ member and who was not. What should have happened was that the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) were under the control of the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) before 2010. But this was prevented by arrogant Kemalist officers.

The MİT's incorporation of the General Staff Electronic Systems Command (GES) constituted the first step in FETÖ's opposition to Erdoğan. Prior to this, Erdoğan's "one minute" remark to the Israeli president at the Davos summit, and the subsequent Mavi Marmara crisis, led Israel to order FETÖ to take action against Erdoğan.

In short, Erdoğan created a conflict between FETÖ and Kemalist officers to seize power, and subsequently purged both groups from within the state.

 

[Bogeyman]

That's why the TSK was left entirely to its own internal control regarding officer promotions. FETÖ members, by practicing dissimulation, simultaneously presented themselves as Kemalists. You would see them drinking alcohol or their wives with their heads uncovered. In this state, it was impossible for Erdoğan to know who was a FETÖ member and who was not. What should have happened was that the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) were under the control of the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) before 2010. But this was prevented by arrogant Kemalist officers.

The MİT's incorporation of the General Staff Electronic Systems Command (GES) constituted the first step in FETÖ's opposition to Erdoğan. Prior to this, Erdoğan's "one minute" remark to the Israeli president at the Davos summit, and the subsequent Mavi Marmara crisis, led Israel to order FETÖ to take action against Erdoğan.

In short, Erdoğan created a conflict between FETÖ and Kemalist officers to seize power, and subsequently purged both groups from within the state.

Before Erdoğan, the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) was headed by Kemalist officers. However, none of them were visionary enough to reform MİT. One of the reforms Hakan Fidan implemented when he became Undersecretary in 2010 was to place the counter-intelligence department, which should be tracking real agents in the country, among the three main deputy directorates.

In the 2000s, MİT considered tracking ordinary citizens a feat. People were kidnapped and tortured after being asked, "So you're religious, are you?" My brother-in-law was among those kidnapped. He narrowly escaped having a 50 kg sandbag thrown into his lungs.

People who had 50 kg of sandbags thrown into their lungs would have their lungs collapse. Then they were released. They would die three days after being released.

This institution should be tracking real agents, not ordinary people.

 

[UkroTurk]

Yeah every secular was FETÖ . Every pro-islamist was against FETÖ.

Outrageous, shameless.