What do you mean when you say "Kemalist"? Speak a bit more clearly. I hope you are aware that you are talking about Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
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What do you mean when you say "Kemalist"? Speak a bit more clearly. I hope you are aware that you are talking about Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Don't take the topic out of context. I have no problem with Atatürk. I have a problem with the traitorous terrorists who wear Atatürk masks.
Everyone here knows who carried out the February 28 coup. But instead of acknowledging the traitors who wear Atatürk masks, you're deflecting the issue and trying to evade responsibility.
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And DGM filed a case against Feto in 2000, arrest warrant was issued and the court acquitted Gülen, ruling that the evidence was insufficient to establish the alleged crime.
And should we forgot Ozal era where Feto expand its footprint and how its influence peaked during akp era especially with the Ergenekon and Balyoz? If there wasn't power struggle between 2 they would still be continuing.
The case opened at the DGM (State Security Court) was worthless. Because a part of the state had already been seized by them. They could interfere as they wished with the "evidence," and use honey traps to influence the judges.
The infiltration of the military was noticed in 1986, but...
The year is 1986. The place is Istanbul Naval High School. According to a report by İrfan Bozan from Al Jazeera, first-year students of the Naval High School, who had completed their adaptation process, were gathered in a classroom. The school commander was standing before them. The school commander addressed the students as follows: “Now I will distribute a piece of paper to each of you. There are some questions on this paper. Answer all of these questions honestly and sincerely. Don't worry, nothing will happen to anyone based on your answers. None of you will be expelled from school.”
The astonished students turned over the papers and encountered some questions. Some of the questions were:
“Do you read the magazine Sızıntı?”
"Does anyone in your family read the magazine 'The Leak'?
Was there 'someone' who guided you to come to this school?"
" Papers were collected that included questions from which clues about the families' religiosity could be obtained. After a while, a significant number of first-year high school students were expelled.
The person who answered the questions and recounted his experience 30 years later doesn't remember exactly how many were expelled, but uses the phrase "quite a few."
OPERATION IN MILITARY HIGH SCHOOLS
The expulsions from military schools targeting the Gülen Community, then known as "Fethullahists," were frequently reported in the newspapers. The February 15, 1987 issue of Nokta Magazine, one of the influential news magazines of the time, featured the headline "Second Operation in Military Schools" on its cover, stating that "Fethullahist" students had been expelled from military schools since October 1986.
1986 was a critical year for the Fethullah Gülen Community. Fethullah Gülen, who had been living as a fugitive since the 1980 coup, gave a statement in Burdur that year and was released from prison.
Recently, Ankara Cumhuriyet... The indictment against the "Main Gülen Organization," completed by the Chief Prosecutor's Office, stated that the "Gülen Organization" had been attempting to organize within the Turkish Armed Forces since 1971, and included the following findings:
"Initially small, this number increased over the years, and these activities intensified after 1984. Many of these students placed within the Turkish Armed Forces during that period are currently staff colonels or generals."
Ahmet Zeki Üçok, the Military Prosecutor of the Air Force Command and the only person within the Turkish Armed Forces to conduct an official investigation into the Fethullah Gülen movement, stated in an interview with Ahmet Hakan of Hürriyet in April 2016, referring to those same years: "In 1986, when Yaşar Büyükanıt was the Commander of Kuleli Military High School, approximately 250 students answered all the Turkish language questions correctly on the military high school entrance exams. An investigation revealed that the questions had been stolen by the movement and given to these students. About 50-60 of these students were expelled. The rest were not expelled, with the thought that 'we might win them over'."
www.hurriyet.com.tr
Yes, there should be no doubt anymore that Yaşar Büyükanıt covered up that investigation.
The year is 1986. The place is Istanbul Naval High School. According to a report by İrfan Bozan from Al Jazeera, first-year students of the Naval High School, who had completed their adaptation process, were gathered in a classroom. The school commander was standing before them. The school commander addressed the students as follows: “Now I will distribute a piece of paper to each of you. There are some questions on this paper. Answer all of these questions honestly and sincerely. Don't worry, nothing will happen to anyone based on your answers. None of you will be expelled from school.”
The astonished students turned over the papers and encountered some questions. Some of the questions were:
“Do you read the magazine Sızıntı?”
"Does anyone in your family read the magazine 'The Leak'?
Was there 'someone' who guided you to come to this school?"
" Papers were collected that included questions from which clues about the families' religiosity could be obtained. After a while, a significant number of first-year high school students were expelled.
The person who answered the questions and recounted his experience 30 years later doesn't remember exactly how many were expelled, but uses the phrase "quite a few."
OPERATION IN MILITARY HIGH SCHOOLS
The expulsions from military schools targeting the Gülen Community, then known as "Fethullahists," were frequently reported in the newspapers. The February 15, 1987 issue of Nokta Magazine, one of the influential news magazines of the time, featured the headline "Second Operation in Military Schools" on its cover, stating that "Fethullahist" students had been expelled from military schools since October 1986.
1986 was a critical year for the Fethullah Gülen Community. Fethullah Gülen, who had been living as a fugitive since the 1980 coup, gave a statement in Burdur that year and was released from prison.
Recently, Ankara Cumhuriyet... The indictment against the "Main Gülen Organization," completed by the Chief Prosecutor's Office, stated that the "Gülen Organization" had been attempting to organize within the Turkish Armed Forces since 1971, and included the following findings:
"Initially small, this number increased over the years, and these activities intensified after 1984. Many of these students placed within the Turkish Armed Forces during that period are currently staff colonels or generals."
Ahmet Zeki Üçok, the Military Prosecutor of the Air Force Command and the only person within the Turkish Armed Forces to conduct an official investigation into the Fethullah Gülen movement, stated in an interview with Ahmet Hakan of Hürriyet in April 2016, referring to those same years: "In 1986, when Yaşar Büyükanıt was the Commander of Kuleli Military High School, approximately 250 students answered all the Turkish language questions correctly on the military high school entrance exams. An investigation revealed that the questions had been stolen by the movement and given to these students. About 50-60 of these students were expelled. The rest were not expelled, with the thought that 'we might win them over'."
Askere sızma 1986'da fark edildi ama...
Fethullah Gülen Cemaati 1980’li yılların ortalarından itibaren askeri okullara sızmaya başladı. İlk olarak 1986 yılında fark edilen sızmalara karşı Türk...
www.hurriyet.com.tr
Yes, there should be no doubt anymore that Yaşar Büyükanıt covered up that investigation.
FETÖ's excessive arrogance led them to believe they could control Erdoğan. The Ergenekon trials were originally initiated to hold those responsible for the February 28 coup accountable. However, FETÖ's approach to the matter with different agendas caused the process to spiral out of control.
As a result, with the July 15 coup attempt, everyone within the state who wasn't involved with FETÖ was forced, even reluctantly, to accept that only Erdoğan could lead this fight.
Meanwhile, before July 15, the National Intelligence Organization (MİT) did not have the authority to conduct investigations within the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK). This authority was granted after the coup attempt.
To say that Erdoğan protected them when there was a FETÖ-affiliated Chief of General Staff in 2004 is to treat people as fools.
According to the decree issued under the state of emergency, intelligence services regarding personnel serving in the Ministry of National Defense and the Turkish Armed Forces will be carried out by the National Intelligence Organization (MİT). MİT will be able to conduct all kinds of investigations, both within and outside the country, regarding Ministry and TSK personnel as part of security investigations.
August 25, 2017
TSK hakkında istihbarat çalışması MİT'e verildi
OHAL kapsamında yayımlanan KHK ile TSK'da görev yapan personele ilişkin istihbarat hizmetleri MİT tarafından yürütülecek
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Prior to this regulation, there were unwritten customs and restrictions stemming from military tutelage that prevented MİT from conducting intelligence within the TSK. These restrictions were completely lifted after 2017.
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28 Şubat coup and Fetö were together? No thanks. I won't buy this BS.
According to this logic Erdoğan betrayed Erbakan, so he was also with 28 Şubat. Remember the comments of Erbakan about Erdoğan.
Erbakan was the mere victim of 28 Şubat. 28 Şubat abolished Erbakans movement. Others suddenly appeared after coup
According to this logic Erdoğan betrayed Erbakan, so he was also with 28 Şubat. Remember the comments of Erbakan about Erdoğan.
Erbakan was the mere victim of 28 Şubat. 28 Şubat abolished Erbakans movement. Others suddenly appeared after coup
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Erbakan claims erdogan is basically CIA. We know his handlers Gulen and co were all CIA. The nation was never given an explanation why such an obvious CIA islamist organisation was shown so much favour by AK party and why so much of the Gulen/CIA agenda was not only pursued by AK party but is continued to be pursed by them.
During those years i used to tell people that Gulen was basically an american asset used to subvert the nation. They would accuse you of being a "secularist" or "kemalist" etc. Then once erdogan basically told them Gulen is CIA, they instantly believed it.
I would say to Turks, especially the dopey islamist ones who know nothing outside of the religion and even then they don't really understand their religion, to remember what gulen owned daily zaman used to push. That media entity always attacked secularism and kemalism. That attack is CIA agenda. Think about it. Go back and remember the narratives that zaman was pushing, because what it was telling you to like was good for america and bad for Turkiye, and what was good for Turkiye and bad for america it was telling you to hate.
During those years i used to tell people that Gulen was basically an american asset used to subvert the nation. They would accuse you of being a "secularist" or "kemalist" etc. Then once erdogan basically told them Gulen is CIA, they instantly believed it.
I would say to Turks, especially the dopey islamist ones who know nothing outside of the religion and even then they don't really understand their religion, to remember what gulen owned daily zaman used to push. That media entity always attacked secularism and kemalism. That attack is CIA agenda. Think about it. Go back and remember the narratives that zaman was pushing, because what it was telling you to like was good for america and bad for Turkiye, and what was good for Turkiye and bad for america it was telling you to hate.
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Politicians can label many people who don't agree with their views. That's natural. But if you accept everything they say as true, you'll lose your way when they make mistakes. I'm saying this about Erdoğan as well.
Aydın Doğan's media also supported the February 28 coup. So where do you place the Kemalist journalists supported by the CIA?
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These conversations are getting really stale... Just saying
We are now in a one-man system. Regular politics will not change this, because all the political channels are already tied into knots. AKP is president's personal fief. MHP is basically a MIT front organization. CHP is also controlled opposition through Kılıçdaroğlu. Özgür Özel's new party is going to be a social democrat trainwreck. DEM are flat out terrorists. All the small nationalist parties; Zafer, İYİ, Anahtar are inept and insignificant. TKP is delusional and/or treacherous, not to mention insignificant.
I don't know what can be done at this point. But for patriots, there are things that must be preserved:
But please leave the Erbakan stuff. That's ancient history now. And it's pretty clear Erdoğan is his own man, and not a western agent. Otherwise why would he fight FETO? Please come back to reality.
We are now in a one-man system. Regular politics will not change this, because all the political channels are already tied into knots. AKP is president's personal fief. MHP is basically a MIT front organization. CHP is also controlled opposition through Kılıçdaroğlu. Özgür Özel's new party is going to be a social democrat trainwreck. DEM are flat out terrorists. All the small nationalist parties; Zafer, İYİ, Anahtar are inept and insignificant. TKP is delusional and/or treacherous, not to mention insignificant.
I don't know what can be done at this point. But for patriots, there are things that must be preserved:
- China is in the process of lobotomizing world's manufacturing. We have to keep the industries afloat somehow.
- The peace process is still more likely to fail than succeed. When it explodes, there will be some serious disorder. Unity of the motherland is paramount.
- Defence industry must keep its momentum.
- Despite bad governance, we stumbled upon a fairly decent web of proxies and patronage throughout the region. It must be defended.
- Our quality of life is not at the level of South African shanty towns, Brazilian favelas or Calcutta sprawl yet. It must be countered.
But please leave the Erbakan stuff. That's ancient history now. And it's pretty clear Erdoğan is his own man, and not a western agent. Otherwise why would he fight FETO? Please come back to reality.
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He's clearly an enemy of the republic though. He's been destroying it no different to how FETO was destroying it. The way i see it in its most simplest form, the prince betrayed his king to usurp the throne for himself. Its still the same shit as far as the Turkish republic is concerned.
In history this is normal where it concerns power. The ruling classes were always murdering each other to further their own personal ambitions. Erdogans personal ambition ironically is what dented the agenda to a degree. He wasnt satisfied with just being their little lackey, he wanted a throne for himself. Hence why he even said england has a queen why can't Turkiye have a king. His addiction to wealth and power is what caused him to revolt against his masters to a degree.
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They just replaced feto with other Tariqas until these betray them.
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Greece is openly going against the treaty of Lausanne. And the government is just condemning it whilst opening a Greek theological school in Türkiye.
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Türkiye is a full blown dictatorship now. Get ready to be a second class citizen in your own country whilst it gets sold off to wealthy foreigners.
