China has world's strongest military; India at number four: Military Direct's study

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You can call every Chinese a paid propagandist, it's Indian habit, I know. I quoted this one just because I came across it and here it is a military forum. I don't believe it myself, nor do I believe western China threat theroies.
You don't believe it yourself but created a thread anyway = Chinese Propaganda

I get it you have to fill your quota every day and it's tough finding any positive news that's not from Chinese or Pakistani sources these days. You'll have bright days and not-so-bright days online so don't lose hope.
 
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You can call every Chinese a paid propagandist, it's Indian habit, I know. I quoted this one just because I came across it and here it is a military forum. I don't believe it myself, nor do I believe western China threat theroies.
It is the way communist regimes work. Calling it “InDiAn hAbIt“ won’t work.

We Indians have seen you Chinese from, “No CaSuAltIeS”, to “SiNgLe DiGiT cAsUaLtIeS” to “4 sOlDiErS mArTyReD” while actual count is way more than that and this is not our lala land dream.

What Global Times is to China is what ISPR is to Pakistan, Information and Psy warfare.
 

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rationally speaking though how does a country with 1.2 billion not be the strongest on earth? I mean a 150 million Russia is stronger then China. How can you have such a massive population but still be weaker then nations that have 1/10th of it?

I would still take Japan over China in a war too. And whats Japans population 150 million or something? Still nothing compared to China.

How i wish Turkeys population was 1.2 billion, what a world we would all live in.
 

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rationally speaking though how does a country with 1.2 billion not be the strongest on earth? I mean a 150 million Russia is stronger then China. How can you have such a massive population but still be weaker then nations that have 1/10th of it?

I would still take Japan over China in a war too. And whats Japans population 150 million or something? Still nothing compared to China.

How i wish Turkeys population was 1.2 billion, what a world we would all live in.

With larger populations come (arguably exponentially) larger historical inertias....somewhat hard to gauge at first (esp removed) glance.

Like to project 1.2 billion on yourself also would need context of such things as scaled size of taiping civil war to that population (upstream) too (and all the effects that happened from that internally and externally).

Countries like China, India etc, are still very close to their relative protracted absolute pits still....and the wasted time they engaged in the first phase or two of stabilisation and recovery in the more modern context.

Thus the renaissance and putting floorboards of power behind you sustainably (so you can scope and reach for next ones) ...all take time and many generations to accomplish (and nothing is guaranteed) given what was lost and taken (not just materially but also psychologically)....and we all live in 1 generation with maybe connected perspective of 2 more (one before and after)....rather than many (which then rests more subconciously imo).

These dynamics happen quite differently with smaller countries.
 

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You don't believe it yourself but created a thread anyway = Chinese Propaganda

I get it you have to fill your quota every day and it's tough finding any positive news that's not from Chinese or Pakistani sources these days. You'll have bright days and not-so-bright days online so don't lose hope.
So my "quota" is one thread every day? I said it before, whoever is a paid propagandist should have themselves and their families hit by a car first thing tomorrow morning, and I wish your family will be ok.
I posted many foreign reports which I don't believe, a way to reveal how funny and ridiculous they are.
 

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rationally speaking though how does a country with 1.2 billion not be the strongest on earth?
Ask our neighbor. countries rise and fall, China now is still at low point comparing to what she was in the most part of the human histotry, but she is on her way back to the postion of her history norm.
 

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I would still take Japan over China in a war too.
Every person has their own opinion, that's perfectly fine. US itself has many studies showed that US can't win a war near the Chinese shore, it's nothing new, one is not supposed to be surprised if they follow the reports in recent years.
 

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We Indians have seen you Chinese from, “No CaSuAltIeS”, to “SiNgLe DiGiT cAsUaLtIeS” to “4 sOlDiErS mArTyReD” while actual count is way more than that and this is not our lala land dream.
China official channels never said China had no casualties, and I agree that Chinese government made a rather stupid mistake, they were afraid of surge of nationalism and hate against India by the Chinese public if intially telling the public of Chinese causalties, the Chinese government still dreamed about improving ties with India and gave peace a chance. but it turned out it won't work, I agree, it's the worst mistake that Chinese government made, miscalculating the situation.
 
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they were afraid of surge of nationalism and hate against India by the Chinese public
I have been to China and Chinese public already hates us, I have seen boards like ”Dogs and Hindus not allowed” inside China. As if we hated you but you came to “show India her worth” in Ladakh but now you have to deescalate the situation.
the Chinese government still dreamed about improving ties with India and gave peace a chance.
The most impossible thing, attack India twice, promote insurgencies in India and veto India’s permanent membership in UN and NSG. Friendship? My foot.

And now making a Dam on Brahmaputra River? No problem, we will choke Malacca Strait.
Communist regime works fine in China, way better than Indian regime.
I am not talking the work and development it does, I’m talking about the way CCP survives on Propaganda.
 

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With larger populations come (arguably exponentially) larger historical inertias....somewhat hard to gauge at first (esp removed) glance.

Like to project 1.2 billion on yourself also would need context of such things as scaled size of taiping civil war to that population (upstream) too (and all the effects that happened from that internally and externally).

Countries like China, India etc, are still very close to their relative protracted absolute pits still....and the wasted time they engaged in the first phase or two of stabilisation and recovery in the more modern context.

Thus the renaissance and putting floorboards of power behind you sustainably (so you can scope and reach for next ones) ...all take time and many generations to accomplish (and nothing is guaranteed) given what was lost and taken (not just materially but also psychologically)....and we all live in 1 generation with maybe connected perspective of 2 more (one before and after)....rather than many (which then rests more subconciously imo).

These dynamics happen quite differently with smaller countries.

I don't think so, i think its more a reflection of the people. Massive populations but relatively weak compared to western nations of significantly smaller populations. India though is different since its very diverse, while china for the most part is homogeneous.
 
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rationally speaking though how does a country with 1.2 billion not be the strongest on earth? I mean a 150 million Russia is stronger then China. How can you have such a massive population but still be weaker then nations that have 1/10th of it?

I would still take Japan over China in a war too. And whats Japans population 150 million or something? Still nothing compared to China.

How i wish Turkeys population was 1.2 billion, what a world we would all live in.
Russia is not stronger than China, it may have more numbers but in real war it will be of no help as Russian economy is not that big to sustain such a huge military in an event of war.
 

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Russia is not stronger than China, it may have more numbers but in real war it will be of no help as Russian economy is not that big to sustain such a huge military in an event of war.

I don't see China being able to do much against Russia. Like wise i would also think Russia is stronger then India. Despite having a relatively tiny population in comparison.
 
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I don't see China being able to do much against Russia. Like wise i would also think Russia is stronger then India. Despite having a relatively tiny population in comparison.
Russia has technology, which China doesn’t have in abundance, they spend a lot in R&D but still all of their weapons, I repeat all of their weapons and equipment is reverse engineered, imported or license produced, only a few are indigenous.


The day China will have a breakthrough in technology will be the day China will become a military superpower as it is already an economic superpower.
 

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Russia is a friend and US never dares to attack China, so why China has to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on military? We saw how USSR went bankrupt pursuing military might and US is going the same path. You can't have or sustain your military might without a robust economy and solid industrial and manufacturing base. so let US keeps on going that path and China has no desire to be its company.
 
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Russia is a friend and US never dares to attack China, so why China has to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on military? We saw how USSR went bankrupt pursuing military might and US is going the same path. You can't have or sustain your military might without a robust economy and solid industrial and manufacturing base. so let US keeps on going that path and China has no desire to be its company.
Afghan invasion was the final nail in their coffin. And USA will pursue military might as it is a developed and has a huge economy, China can’t have a huge military because all the equipments China uses are mostly inefficient and require a lot of maintenance regularly costing huge amounts of money.
 

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Afghan invasion was the final nail in their coffin. And USA will pursue military might as it is a developed and has a huge economy, China can’t have a huge military because all the equipments China uses are mostly inefficient and require a lot of maintenance regularly costing huge amounts of money.
Lol, keep believing that and see how future tells you a different story, after US eventually loses economic war to China, it won't have much left, we'll see.
 
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Lol, keep believing that and see how future tells you a different story, after US eventually loses economic war to China, it won't have much left, we'll see.
USA will lose economic war with both India at a later stage and China in a few years.
I am not trolling or making fun but highlighting the actual issues. Even we use Russian/Soviet equipment which are inefficient especially the Russian aircrafts Which require a lot of maintenace and eat up a lot of money. Thats we are shifting towards western engines and having Joint Venture with Rolls Royce for development of next gen engines for our aircrafts. So if Chinese equipment become efficient, China can boast a huge number. But USA will not fail the way Soviets did as Soviet Union had many ethnicities involved, even Turkic ethnicities formed a huge population.
 

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USA will lose economic war with both India at a later stage and China in a few years.
USA will lose economic war with India? and in a few years? this is really news to me.
let check the real figure, China produces over 60% of world total steel output, and half of copper, aluminium and other metals. China's indutrial and manufacturing capacity is a runway leader unrivaled by anyone in the world and China has the world largest skilled workforce by a huge unbridgeble margin.
China can outproduce anyone with much ease in almost everything, so in logistic supply chain, China is also a world leader. But China doesn't invest much in military cause China doesn't believe there's a need, still, with very low percentage of GDP for the defence budget, the growth year on year had really scared the enemies big time.
China's goal is never about military global domination, China wants a dominant role in economy, cause China knows so well that with a strong economy, everything else will naturally and eventually comes with it. without a strong economy, everything esle will go sooner than later.
 

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