Is Turkey turning into the next Iran?

[Vaggos]

I would like to hear your comments after the latest events that took place these past few days.

 

[Foulgrim]

I do not think Turkey is trying to become Iran but something more than that. Iran has enemies the United States, the European Union and NATO without strategic agreements and defense sales to third countries. Turkey is an ally of all these organizations (European Union, USA, NATO) while at the same time trying to become Iran in terms of military independence. Not only has it achieved this, but it is also more autonomous than Iran. What Turkey needs to achieve is Iran's energy independence, which is extremely difficult.

 

[Nilgiri]

To get comparable equivalencies for comparison, you need some similar initial conditions and major perturbations of note.

Ataturk's system w.r.t Turkey has faced ups and downs (incl current one, whatever your perspective is on it)....but it has persevered aligned to the aegis of that setup overall.

There simply has been nothing to the intensity of what happened with the islamic revolution (khomenei et al) and utter existential war with a neighbour shortly following it....that has set the larger parameters in what is baked into Iran's current political system and its economy + geopolitics etc.

They are vastly different inherited and perpetuated scenarios basically (and then layering in the security paradigms/bloc choices that have been made in larger timeframe)

....too different to compare in a "is A turning into B" kind of way in my opinion.

 

[Sinan]

I would like to hear your comments after the latest events that took place these past few days.

Turkey is not equal to Erdogan. When the old man flees the country, Turkey will restore itself fast.

 

[Anmdt]

Turkey is not equal to Erdogan. When the old man flees the country, Turkey will restore itself fast.

He is leaning on radicals now even more than before, won't flee without a massacre, won't leave the seat by election.

I would like to hear your comments after the latest events that took place these past few days.

Not Iran but Russia,
Religion is irrelevant here but just an excuse, mindset is same as Putin.

 

[Huelague]

Turkey is not equal to Erdogan. When the old man flees the country, Turkey will restore itself fast.

Restore to which position?

 

[Ryder]

Turkey is not Iran and Iran is not Turkey.

Vastly different cultures, customs, values and religion.

Im sick of this bs orientalism crap hurr durr the Arabs, Turks and Persians are the same hurr durr.

Iran has been our enemy for centuries why would we be like them??? Irony is the Ottomans faced Turks who ruled Iran like the Akkoyunlus, Safavids, Afsharids and the Qajars.

I dont count cultural exchanges and the mixing of cultures.

 

[Zafer]

Turkey is shaking off the negative foreign influence that weighed us down and is becoming self reliant in technology. We are working hard to realize our potential. Go Erdoğan! make Turkey great again.

 

[Ryder]

My personal Opinion: Turkey is becoming the next Pakistan under Erdogan, a man who believes in religion more than geo-politics. India and Turkey could have had an increase in Trade if Erdogan would not have started to poke India for Kashmir which is a complicated situation to explain.

He is becoming like Imran Khan for whom things which are never gonna happen are top priorities instead of geo-political relations and country’s development.

The only difference Turkey and Pakistan will have is that Turkish people are very nice and lovely while Pakistanis have a huge hatred for anyone who doesn’t belong to their community even if it is a Pakistani and they all radicalised to the core (no intent of disrespecting pakistan).

Again I repeat, it is just my personal opinion.

In geopolitical struggles, Pakistan has always had Turkey's back in every issue. Hence why Turkey feels compelled to back Pakistan.

When it came to Cyprus, Pakistan sent medics to help the Turkish army.

Turkey went to combat the pkk/ypg in Afrin and Operation Peace spring while most of the world was against us, Pakistan one of the few countries to support us 100% alongside Azerbaijan and Qatar.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

In geopolitical struggles, Pakistan has always had Turkey's back in every issue. Hence why Turkey feels compelled to back Pakistan.

When it came to Cyprus, Pakistan sent medics to help the Turkish army.

Turkey went to combat the pkk/ypg in Afrin and Operation Peace spring while most of the world was against us, Pakistan one of the few countries to support us 100% alongside Azerbaijan and Qatar.

I’m not talking who is friend who is enemy, sure have good relations with Pakistan but Pakistan is failing and I’m not exaggerating, their prime minister is focussed more on Kashmir than their country’s own problems. So much so it is a meme and we joke about Pakistan and Kashmir. Even today he is focussed on Kashmir wherever he went but not on how to vaccinate its own people.


Erdogan should have friendly ties with everyone like a statesman has else it is going the Pakistan way. Malaysia was also going towards being the next Pakistan under Mahathir Mohammad but their people smartly elected a sensible man as their leader which is more into geo political friendship.

I understand the religious bonds you share, all of the Muslim world thats why you come together to fight a common enemy but also should be friendship with all.

 

[Ryder]

@Zafer

Why you angry?? About what I said?

 

[dani92]

No because unless there is a revolution then it will to become another Iran. Turkey will go back to normal just the minute erdogan leaves also the people keep voting for him because of his economic policy not because they like his religion speeches or care about restoring the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Zafer]

@Zafer

Why you angry?? About what I said?

That was a mistake, it happens when I want to use a mobile phone instead of a computer. I was probably responding to some other message.
Cheers

 

[Ryder]

That was a mistake, it happens when I want to use a mobile phone instead of a computer. I was probably responding to some other message.
Cheers

Its all good brother.

 

[ANGMAR]

I would like to hear your comments after the latest events that took place these past few days.

what happened in the past few days makes you think this way ?

 

[Foulgrim]

what happened in the past few days makes you think this way ?

Geopolitical analysts here in Greece very often ask such a question on television channels. In the Arab world, i do not think there is such an issue as each side had its own cultural history. This question is raised here in Greece due to the US attitude towards Turkey but also the tendency of Turkey for military and geopolitical autonomy.

 

[Zafer]

They must be mad because Turkey will not play the sick man who can't look after himself anymore. And the recent pull of Turkey out of the Istanbul Convention will have its impacts towards more objection from other nations which doesn't play well with globalist agenda.

 

[Sinan]

Restore to which position?

I was actually thinking about that last night. Economically, politically, foreign relations, everything will improve whoever comes after Erdogan.

But i was thinking, what about socially. In that regard, i think every group suffered in the last 50 years. Kurds suffered in the 90s, Conservatives suffered in 28 Şubat and hardcore secularism. Alevis suffered yor years and still suffereing. Nowadays, seculars and liberals are suffereing. I mean every group literally suffered and i think, although it seems like there is gross polarization in the country, these ceratin groups can look each other with more emphaty because of the collective suffering.

The next adminstration won't go back to old secularist ways, there won't be ban of head scarf, or Kurdish political parties won't be closed down as it had been at the past.

So, i believe the next adminstration will not push away any group in Turkey. This is going to be good.

 

[Sinan]

also the people keep voting for him because of his economic policy not because they like his religion speeches or care about restoring the Ottoman Empire.

Not entirely true. It's true that between 2002 and 2013 economy improved much. GDP quadrupled and GDP/Capita tripled in 10 years. While there was 2008 financial crisis, Europe was in shambles meanwhile Turkey growed %10 that year.

However economy started go bad after 2013 and still going bad. Inflation, unemployment are in record high. Turkey having a financial crisis. So, almost all of the polls shows that Erdogan will lose the next election with 10 percent.

 

[dani92]

Not entirely true. It's true that between 2002 and 2013 economy improved much. GDP quadrupled and GDP/Capita tripled in 10 years. While there was 2008 financial crisis, Europe was in shambles meanwhile Turkey growed %10 that year.

However economy started go bad after 2013 and still going bad. Inflation, unemployment are in record high. Turkey having a financial crisis. So, almost all of the polls shows that Erdogan will lose the next election with 10 percent.

From a Turkish guy that I was talking to from bodrum he said people keep voting for him because his promises of giving welfare and using inshallah in his speeches