Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Van Kravchenko]

I dont know where to put this, but hey look it has suppressor right ? But what the hell the sound.

I wonder if this SMG got no suppresseed device atached, also 4x ACOG is too much for a SMG optical device

Uji SMG PM 3 Pindad

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[lemons]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376384746209546241

 

[Basith90]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376384746209546241

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What kind of deall we have achieved then?
Is it about the transfer of Secondhand destroyer escort or the 30ffm?

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376394388629303299

What is this?
There will be a lot of foreign military personal here in the future?

 

[Parry Brima]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376384746209546241

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Negotiation has been taking place for 5 yrs?

 

[Madokafc]

BTR 50 driver (an old ones and newbie ones)

 

[Van Kravchenko]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376384746209546241

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Sokor and China didnt happy 'bout this.

Back then we still call japas as Old Brother, no womder they still have a lot of interest here. Probably to secure its investation.

If this agreement is about 30FFM, its could be a swift swept move towards all Frigates contender from other nation.

 

[Madokafc]

Sokor and China didnt happy 'bout this.

Back then we still call japas as Old Brother, no womder they still have a lot of interest here. Probably to secure its investation.

If this agreement is about 30FFM, its could be a swift swept move towards all Frigates contender from other nation.

Their move here backed by old established Keidanren, Japanese ministry of Defense, ministry of finance and from all level of Government of Indonesia body, not only Prabowo but Luhut Panjaitan, Erick Thohir, Retno Pujiastuti, Sri Mulyani even Joko Widodo himself who eager to attract more Japanese Investment.

 

[Umigami]

Sokor and China didnt happy 'bout this.

Back then we still call japas as Old Brother, no womder they still have a lot of interest here. Probably to secure its investation.

If this agreement is about 30FFM, its could be a swift swept move towards all Frigates contender from other nation.

Their move here backed by old established Keidanren, Japanese ministry of Defense, ministry of finance and from all level of Government of Indonesia body, not only Prabowo but Luhut Panjaitan, Erick Thohir, Retno Pujiastuti, Sri Mulyani even Joko Widodo himself who eager to attract more Japanese Investment.

Remaining big obstacle now is whether they can put MBDA missiles on it or not?

Or they will just push Navy to adapt new system...

 

[Madokafc]

Remaining big obstacle now is whether they can put MBDA missiles on it or not?

Or they will just push Navy to adapt new system...

Why would we are be concerned by such choices, as actually the only Ships in active service within Navy who operated MBDA Air Defense Missiles is only Martadinata class and the would be Itver Huitveld based Frigates (and the Bung Tomo class). And actually it would be never wise to put all of your basket into single supplier though if you are still imported them from aboard, to have alternative would be great as Japanese actually offered their own AD Missiles for our own use.

That's why i am always put the important to build your own complete Defense industry.

 

[FPXAllen]

Why would we are be concerned by such choices, as actually the only Ships in active service within Navy who operated MBDA Air Defense Missiles is only Martadinata class and the would be Itver Huitveld based Frigates (and the Bung Tomo class). And actually it would be never wise to put all of your basket into single supplier though if you are still imported them from aboard, to have alternative would be great as Japanese actually offered their own AD Missiles for our own use.

That's why i am always put the important to build your own complete Defense industry.

I'm split about this. In one hand, I agree with your point especially considering that we've had bad experiences when we were too dependent on one source. On the other hand, yeah, that just means we will remain like a showroom of imported weapons for the foreseeable future.

Technically, it's fine as long as all those different weapon systems can be integrated in one seamless command and control system although the same can't be said for the people in charge of maintaining them.

Negotiation has been taking place for 5 yrs?

My exact question as well. Does it means that the negotiation was already taking place during IndoDefence 2016?

Another question is, was it only about ships or also include the search and rescue plane? I may be wrong, but I've had this impression that back then Indonesia was mostly interested in the US-2 amphibious plane.

 

[NEKO]

We asked help to Japan regarding Natuna i think its about fish processing, fish market etc maybe the discussion melebar to alutsista.

Didn't in 2016 there is some incident in North Natuna sea.

Another question is, was it only about ships or also include the search and rescue plane?

But we already choose Canadian product.
Not exactly rescue plane right?, but the plane can also be used as.
The official when tried to convince the public about how good to have amphibious plane, it can be used for firefighting, and search and rescue at sea bla bla, the other candidates is Russian and Japanese product. Cmiiw.

 

[Gundala]

I'm split about this. In one hand, I agree with your point especially considering that we've had bad experiences when we were too dependent on one source. On the other hand, yeah, that just means we will remain like a showroom of imported weapons for the foreseeable future.

Im more worried about the continuation. Granted, future condition isnt static but looking back we swing too far left and right. It doesnt matter if we work with Japs, Sweeden, Dutch, Russia, etc, when at the end of the day we are having hard time even consolidating internally about the plan we were all agree to pursue.

Naval wise, I say go with the FFM, have them do workshare here that include private yard to speed things up and ask/pay/assistance to design corvette/littolar class for our navy. In a future we going to need alot of them. We can have more ToT for electronics/radar/CMS/etc but without enough platform to put it in it wont help local Industry ecosystem develop along the way. Just a thought...

 

[whatintarnation]

Can our Nagapasa-class SSKs be fitted with Harpoons (UGM-84s) if the need arises?

 

[Anmdt]

Can our Nagapasa-class SSKs be fitted with Harpoons (UGM-84s) if the need arises?

CMS should be German (or Korean i am not sure) thus definitely capable of it.
Unless Koreans were asked to restrict it, or Germans have restricted it.
Like my phone has qualcomm chipset but to keep it cheap the OEM hasn't paid the license of aptX library and i can not use it.
Or to further extend the example, what i am going to do with aptX if i don't have wireless earphones?

 

[Soman45]

Bruh...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376603815252652035

we are challenging the first four to be delivered by 2024 are you kidding me??!!! let's put some Chinese levels shipbuilding here.....let's say fincantieri bagged the contract and they accept the challenge if we want it by 2024 so this year for contract's signing is a MUST

 

[Anmdt]

Bruh...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376603815252652035

we are challenging the first four to be delivered by 2024 are you kidding me??!!! let's put some Chinese levels shipbuilding here.....let's say fincantieri bagged the contract and they accept the challenge if we want it by 2024 so this year for contract's signing is a MUST

Does he know what he is speaking about?
How could Italy start construction of 4 hulls at once and complete all and deliver until end of 2024 while a ship typically has 2 years from steel cutting to launching and another 2 until being commissioned while capacity of shipyard(s) allows for 1 ship per year to be launched (or rather distanced by 8 months).

Italy is currently building 2 hulls for themselves and to be delivered in 2025, one of those are laid in February another will be on next year or end of this year. It takes 4 years to commission a single hull. Even if they put their own hulls on sale, it won't catch up the schedule.

While the export variant made for Egypt nearly took 3.5+ years* because it lacks some systems.

Can he at least spare a second and look at FREMM wikipedia page to see how long does it take for a FREMM to be made?
Can he spare a second to realize he is speaking non-sense?

Even 4+2 scheme doesn't make sense in too many ways, as it is told.

ToT /Training of Indonesian shipyard personnel, this will take time as well.

But only possible if:
2 Hulls are constructed in Italy/equipped in Italy
2 Hulls are constructed in Italy, equipped in Indonesia, thus only bare hulls (with engines, gensets etc core systems installed)
2 Hulls built and equipped in Indonesia.

And in this way 4+2 makes sense for both parties:
2 fully in Italy
2 joint Italy/Indonesia
2 fully in Indonesia.

 

[reashot_xigwin]

Does he know what he is speaking about? How could Italy start construction of 4 hulls at once and complete all and deliver until end of 2024 while a ship typically has 2 years from steel cutting to launching and another 2 until being commissioned while capacity of shipyard(s) allows for 1 ship per year to be launched.

Can he at least spare a second and look at FREMM wikipedia to see how long does it take for a FREMM to be made?
Can he spare a second to realize he is speaking non-sense?

He's a hype man for european weapon makers he got bankrolled by whom I forgot but that kinda sensational post is what he is infamous for that and hatred of all things for american toys.

 

[NEKO]

4 hulls to be build overseas just like 30FFM, maybe PAL dry dock already booked for IH.

 

[R4duga]

its more like the request from current admin hoping things would finished before the next presidential election (you know how stuff work here) , its either fincantieri may postponed or reassigned their cruise ship division and shipyard for building naval ship first , if it was really the current admin request to have atleast 4 hull before 2024 , seeing how japanese launched two ship simultaneously near the end of 2020- first quarter of 2021 while the first steel cutting happened in q3 2019 , MHI still have possibility to bag the contract with that kind of requirement .