Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[NEKO]

I don't understand why people keep mentioning Japan in regards to FREMM. We want 16 140m frigates. The first 2 will be Ivers. The next 8 will be 30FFM. So there's still 6 slots to be filled. This is where FREMM competes against Arrowhead and Sigma. Probably that's why the offer from Fincantieri is for 6 ships. It's not competing against 30FFM, unless we plan to buy not just 8, but 14 30FFMs.

So buy 3 type of frigate, and also buy 3 type of submarine (rumour), pespur juga mborong. Wkwk
BPJS budget pas-pasan jiwa sultan.

 

[Parry Brima]

Who said that? The approved budget would not cross 22 Billion US Dollar bill by 2024. In which around Four to six Billion US Dollar for fighter programme, 1,1 Billion US Dollar for fighter programme from MEF2, three Billion US Dollar for Frigates, around six Billion US Dollar for Submarine deal, there is another MERAD/LORAD GBAD, armed UAV. There is also MRTT and several important stuff like helicopters and MPA Aircraft. There is also post for interim program like Frigates, fighter and Submarine.

Less than $22 bil until 2024? I see. Well, that's kinda letdown

Alright, 2 Ivers + 8 30FFMs then.

So buy 3 type of frigate, and also buy 3 type of submarine (rumour), pespur juga mborong. Wkwk
BPJS budget pas-pasan jiwa sultan.

Don't blame me. That's what the Rapim list stated.

 

[FPXAllen]

Didn't in 2016 there is some incident in North Natuna sea.

Yes. Although that wasn't the first incident, but IIRC that one was a kind of rough wake up call.

But we already choose Canadian product.
Not exactly rescue plane right?, but the plane can also be used as.
The official when tried to convince the public about how good to have amphibious plane, it can be used for firefighting, and search and rescue at sea bla bla, the other candidates is Russian and Japanese product. Cmiiw.

We did and still waiting for those 7 planes (?) to be delivered. While some are in fire fighting configuration, the rest are multipurpose transport.
While they still lack the range of US-2 but it's still better than nothing,.

The reason why I asked was a passage in that nikkei article that mentioned something about "rescue plane". If the talk was still ongoing even after we bought the CL-415 / CL-515, then it will be a very pleasant surprise although I'm not holding my breath for it.

Im more worried about the continuation. Granted, future condition isnt static but looking back we swing too far left and right. It doesnt matter if we work with Japs, Sweeden, Dutch, Russia, etc, when at the end of the day we are having hard time even consolidating internally about the plan we were all agree to pursue.

Naval wise, I say go with the FFM, have them do workshare here that include private yard to speed things up and ask/pay/assistance to design corvette/littolar class for our navy. In a future we going to need alot of them. We can have more ToT for electronics/radar/CMS/etc but without enough platform to put it in it wont help local Industry ecosystem develop along the way. Just a thought...

Bold: My sentiment exactly. Although it's somewhat unfortunate that they're more expensive than other candidates, but having new tech know how from the Japanese will go a long way to upgrade our Navy.

 

[Madokafc]

Composite Company, Marine units in Natuna

Credits via Lembaga Keris

 

[JATOSINT]

So buy 3 type of frigate, and also buy 3 type of submarine (rumour), pespur juga mborong. Wkwk
BPJS budget pas-pasan jiwa sultan.

let's pray that at least their jeroan have a high % of commonality

 

[wekiweko]

somehow I wouldn't be that surprised if the frigates that will come as a result of said deal with the Japanese are the Abukumas

 

[Mandala]

31 MARCH 2021

Japan, Indonesia sign defence trade deal​

by Jon Grevatt

Japan and Indonesia have finalised an accord to facilitate defence trade and related defence industrial collaboration.

The Defense Equipment and Technology Transfer Agreement was signed in Tokyo on 30 March by the two countries’ foreign and defence ministers.

The agreement is aimed at supporting Japanese defence exports to the Southeast Asian country and boosting regional security amid growing concerns about Chinese assertiveness.

Japan and Indonesia have signed a deal to co-operate on joint defence projects that could include Japan’s 30FFM-class frigate (pictured). (Mitsui E & S)

Details about potential platforms for sale were not revealed but Japan’s Defence Minister Nobuo Kishi indicated that talks on such capabilities would start soon. Official statements indicated that such capabilities would be geared towards supporting maritime security.

Indonesian defence minister Prabowo Subianto also said that the agreement would support defence industrial co-operation between the two countries and Indonesia’s efforts to modernise its armed forces.

Japan and Indonesia have been discussing the equipment and technology agreement for several years and in late 2020 the accord was agreed in principle by the two sides to facilitate collaboration on maritime-security capabilities including frigates and other surface combatants.

In late 2020 representatives from Japan’s naval shipbuilders – including Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) – also held talks with counterparts from Indonesia with a view to pursuing such joint projects for the Indonesian Navy.

Janes understands that a platform that has been discussed as a potential joint project is Japan’s 30FFM-class frigate, which is being built for the Japan Maritime Self‐Defence Force (JMSDF) by MHI and Mitsui. In a separate agreement announced on 29 March, MHI agreed to take over Mitsui. This acquisition will be finalised later this year.

Japan, Indonesia sign defence trade deal

Japan and Indonesia have finalised an accord to facilitate defence trade and related defence industrial collaboration.

www.janes.com

 

[Gary]

also part of the deal could see Indonesian cadets trained in Japan.

“We encourage joint training between our services, maritime and also land forces.”

He also proposed more training in Japan for Indonesian military officers and cadets.

Japan, Indonesia Sign Defense Deal Amid Beijing's Maritime Expansion

Indonesia's defense minister Prabowo Subianto calls the agreement an 'historic first,' as both countries voice concern over China's maneuverings in the disputed South China Sea.

www.rfa.org

 

[reashot_xigwin]

Same news but from the Australian article:

Japan and Indonesia strike deal on defence​

Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi, left, and Japan’s Foreign Minister Toshimitsu Motegi in Tokyo. Picture: AFP

• By Chandni Vasandani
• 7:16PM March 31, 2021
• 3 Comments

Japan and Indonesia have hailed a “historical” deal that will allow the transfer of Japanese military equipment and technology to bolster Jakarta’s defence capabilities.

The agreement was signed at the end of only the second meeting between the countries’ foreign and defence ministers, in which they vowed to tighten security co-operation over concerns of an increasingly assertive China.
Japanese Defence Minister Nobuo Kishi said both countries shared “serious concerns about the continued and strengthened attempts to change the status quo by force” in the region, through a recent law allowing China’s coast guard to open fire on vessels intruding into waters it considers its own. Japan’s defence deal with Indonesia follows similar agreements with Australia, Malaysia, The Philippines and the US.

It includes the provision of two fisheries surveillance vessels and assistance in the development of Indonesia’s outermost islands, including those in the Natuna seas where Indonesian naval ships have frequently had to repel incursions from Chinese fishing vessels and coast guard.

Japan has similarly grown increasingly concerned over Chinese incursions in waters around its disputed Senkaku Islands, in the East China Sea, which are known as Diaoyu in China.

Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi said she welcomed the “growing co-operation between Indonesian Maritime Security Agency and Japanese Coast Guard”, while Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto said he hoped the deal would result in the “modernisation” of Indonesia’s military skills.

While some will likely view the landmark deal as drawing Indonesia closer to the US-led quadrilateral security alliance with Japan, Australia and India, other analysts said it should be viewed more as a strategic first step towards “making the neighbourhood a friendlier place”.

“This is a good way to find a midpoint to urge China to acknowledge internationally recognised law,” Gilang Kembara, a researcher at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, told The Australian. “It is in Japan and Indonesia’s interests to convince China to accept their views.”

Mr Kembara said Indonesia could also benefit from Japan’s transfer of knowledge for non-traditional security issues, such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.

During the meeting, the two countries also agreed to closely co-ordinate over the crisis in Myanmar and called for an “immediate” halt to the use of force against protesters.

“Indonesia and Japan have the same concerns regarding the development of the situation in Myanmar,” Ms Retno said.

“Indonesia strongly rejects the use of force by the security forces which resulted in the deaths of more than 100 victims on March 27.

“Dialogue must be pursued. Only through dialogue will Myanmar be able to solve their problems.”

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Madokafc]

Credits via Lembaga Keris FB page

More looking like a Soviet armored and artillery column LoL, Pasmar 2

 

[Umigami]

Credits via Lembaga Keris FB page

More looking like a Soviet armored and artillery column LoL, Pasmar 2 View attachment 17350 View attachment 17351 View attachment 17352 View attachment 17353 View attachment 17354 View attachment 17355 View attachment 17356 View attachment 17357 View attachment 17358 View attachment 17359

Damn! The one who take those photos isn't defencehub!!!

JUST MAKE IT AN OPTION!!

 

[Madokafc]

Damn! The one who take those photos isn't defencehub!!!

That's why i put via Lembaga Keris for credits

 

[Umigami]

That's why i put via Lembaga Keris for credits

That rant is not for you

 

[Madokafc]

That rant is not for you

I already put a protest

 

[Gary]

This is what the Admins have to say for the time being

For now all that can be done is to link photos which are copyrighted and only upload photos which are original. This is the way it should be anyway, it saves space on our server. Photo's should only be uploaded if they are screenshots of something like a video or brochure, an original image which you took, or something from a official military or government source.

We would like to introduce the ability to switch the watermarks on or off.

Hi, for now any copyrighted images should be linked, not uploaded. This will prevent the watermark from being applied.

The watermark feature has been requested for a long time and I have been hesitant to install it because of the obvious copyright issues. I will speak to the admins about this.

 

[Anmdt]

Who is this guy? Has been resting in there for 4 years and looks like the RAS station is installed too.
Location is banten/cilegon i even didn't know if there were a shipyard for new building in there. I assumed they were for maintenance.
Looks like in 2017 there were hangars (steelworks probably) and now in 2020 they are dismantled and taken away, they have literally abandoned the ship? That looks new.

 

[Madokafc]

View attachment 17369

Who is this guy? Has been resting in there for 4 years and looks like the RAS station is installed too.
Location is banten/cilegon i even didn't know if there were a shipyard for new building in there. I assumed they were for maintenance.
Looks like in 2017 there were hangars (steelworks probably) and now in 2020 they are dismantled and taken away, they have literally abandoned the ship? That looks new.
View attachment 17370

One of the failure of tanker/RAS project they are ordered far beyond 2017, i am forget the builder, remember them in the long thread of other Defense site

 

[R4duga]

View attachment 17369

Who is this guy? Has been resting in there for 4 years and looks like the RAS station is installed too.
Location is banten/cilegon i even didn't know if there were a shipyard for new building in there. I assumed they were for maintenance.
Looks like in 2017 there were hangars (steelworks probably) and now in 2020 they are dismantled and taken away, they have literally abandoned the ship? That looks new.
View attachment 17370

problematic shipyard (private owned)
PT.Anugrah Buana Marine

that was supposed to be our 2nd BCM (Oiler) after the tarakan class
keel laying already happened since 2012 , still not yet finished compared to their competitor performance in batam , namely Batamec shipyard , that's why tni trusted the 4th oiler to be awarded to Batamec shipyard , after their satisfaction with KRI Bontang 907 performance .

 

[Mandala]

Indonesia, Japan on verge of record gunboat deal​

Jakarta poised to purchase eight Mogami-class frigates to bolster its naval defenses amid rising Chinese incursions

By JOHN MCBETH
APRIL 1, 2021

JAKARTA – Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto is considering the purchase of eight stealthy Mogami-class multi-mission frigates as part of a plan to beef up the navy’s long-range patrol capabilities and strengthen the country’s strategic defense relationship with Japan.

If the purchase is completed, it would represent the biggest-ever arms deal between the two nations, significantly at a time the Biden administration seeks to build an alliance of like-minded nations to contain China’s maritime ambitions.

Prabowo and Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi were in Tokyo last week for the first two-plus-two ministers meeting since 2015 as Indonesia quietly tries to counterbalance China’s increasingly aggressive posture in the southern reaches of the South China Sea.

Referring only to the transfer of fisheries surveillance vessels, Prabowo and Japanese Foreign Minister Toshimitsu Motegi signed an agreement on the transfer of military equipment and technology, one of the prerequisites Jakarta insists on in most new defense deals.

Government sources say the provisional plan calls for Japan to deliver four of the 3,900-ton frigates, beginning in late 2023 or early 2024, and for the remaining four to be built at state-run PT PAL’s Surabaya shipyard.

Indonesia had previously considered an order for six Danish Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates under a transfer-of-technology deal initially worth $720 million, but the sources indicate that Prabowo’s geopolitical thinking lies behind the switch to Japan.

Read more: https://asiatimes.com/2021/04/indonesia-japan-on-verge-of-record-gunboat-deal/

 

[Anmdt]

deliver four of the 3,900-ton frigates, beginning in late 2023 or early 2024

She/he needs to learn how to count.

six Danish Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates under a transfer-of-technology deal initially worth $720 million

2023-2024 is the date for Japanese Mogami class,
$720m for IH is meant for two hulls.