Is Turkey turning into the next Iran?

[Kaptaan]

Your colonial mindset of the whatever a white says is the supreme truth will never go, and I can’t do anything about it. Which country’s prime minister is considered a terrorist by USA was visible when your PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi was frisked after being stripped naked at US Airport when he was on a personal trip for suspicion of terror.

@Nilgiri you came here made a contrived attempt at moderation but used that post also to get a kick at Pakistan. Tell me how is this punk being allowed to make comments about a ex-PM when my comments about Modi got deleted?

 

[Nauman Ahmed Patel]

@Nilgiri you came here made a contrived attempt at moderation but used that post also to get a kick at Pakistan. Tell me how is this punk being allowed to make comments about a ex-PM when my comments about Modi got deleted?

You make a derogatory remark on my PM, so I hit you back with facts, now don’t cry to mods... I’m deleting what I wrote.

 

[Nilgiri]

OK no more comments about India/Pakistan stuff please (plenty of threads for that)....any past posts break rules please report them, they will be deleted/edited.

Everyone involved (in the off topic stuff) please move on.....this thread is turkey w.r.t Iran...and maybe the larger notion of what applies there geopolitically (some have brought up authoritarianism/theocracy etc)

This is why it was totally uneccesary to bring in Pakistan/India/subcontinent into this thread to begin with (especially with specific details applying only to those countries).

I hope the poster that did that initially learns from how this has all derailed now and we lose track of the actual initial subject for no reason.

 

[dani92]

Persians got wrecked by the Arabs rightfully so. After the Arabs the Turks, Mongols, Russians, British and now the Americans are wrecking Persians.

Persians are racist to the core thats why nobody likes them they are racist and arrogant. These guys got their asses handed to them by the Greeks and the Romans.

Also Persians contributing to the Islamic Golden age is a bs myth. When you had various ethnic groups who contributed while Persians just make it about themselves.

One day I hope the Mullah regime get what they deserve.

Even the so called the Persian scientist were Arabized or wrote their wrote their work in Arabic just like Greeks during the hellenization many scientists and philosophers weren’t Greek by the ethnicity by they were Greeks by the language and the Hellenic culture so you can’t say their the achievements is because to their ethnic origin but thanks to the hellenization.

 

[ekemenirtu]

Both countries are extremely valuable to the great powers (USA, China, Russia). But Turkey has some strong advantages over Iran, which are:
- Turkic minorities in dozens of countries that Turkey uses to exert geopolitical pressure.
- Technological leaps (not steps) in the defense industry
- Turkey manages the largest trafficking of black money in the world with the result that geopolitical opponents do not know its economic figures (GDP)
- Turkey has a geographical location that connects Europe and Asia with trade passing through Anatolia
- Historically Anatolia was a geographical piece of land that all empires wanted to own (Roman Empire, Macedonian Empire, Persian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, etc.)
Turkey can get along well with Russia-China and at the same time have geostrategic agreements with NATO member states while it is also a member state! Can Iran get along well with NATO member states and Russia-China at the same time? Definitely not.

Interesting viewpoints.

Thank you for your opinions and an elaborate explanation.

May I ask how does any of these make Turkey more autonomous than Iran?

Some of these points are also of questionable authenticity.

As an example, the territory of Anatolia was never sought after by any of the Chinese empires or the Empire of Japan from what I have read and understood. To suggest Anatolia was sought after by all empires would be incorrect in that regard.

It is only natural that any country at the crossroads would be sought after by neighbouring empires wishing to expand its territory.

Regardless, thank you for your opinion. I hope to read more of your unique insights.

 

[Foulgrim]

Interesting viewpoints.

Thank you for your opinions and an elaborate explanation.

May I ask how does any of these make Turkey more autonomous than Iran?

Some of these points are also of questionable authenticity.

As an example, the territory of Anatolia was never sought after by any of the Chinese empires or the Empire of Japan from what I have read and understood. To suggest Anatolia was sought after by all empires would be incorrect in that regard.

It is only natural that any country at the crossroads would be sought after by neighbouring empires wishing to expand its territory.

Regardless, thank you for your opinion. I hope to read more of your unique insights.

The Silk Road shows that over the millennia the Far East has been trying to have a huge trade and economic network with countries in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. The connection of Europe with the Far East through the geographical area called Anatolia shows the importance of the region. The fact that China with the "One Belt One Road" development program wants to revive a new "silk road" passing through Anatolia shows the importance of the region. It is Turkey's geographical position that makes it primarily a strong country. The reconstruction of its defense industry and its internal development with domestic projects are also important, but they alone could not make Turkey what it is today. Its geographical location is the most important weapon it has.

 

[Costin84]

The Silk Road shows that over the millennia the Far East has been trying to have a huge trade and economic network with countries in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. The connection of Europe with the Far East through the geographical area called Anatolia shows the importance of the region. The fact that China with the "One Belt One Road" development program wants to revive a new "silk road" passing through Anatolia shows the importance of the region. It is Turkey's geographical position that makes it primarily a strong country. The reconstruction of its defense industry and its internal development with domestic projects are also important, but they alone could not make Turkey what it is today. Its geographical location is the most important weapon it has.

Geolocation+demographics + imperial past is what defines and drives Turkey today. Turkey is practically forced by these factors to play a greater role that it plays today.

 

[TR_123456]

The Silk Road shows that over the millennia the Far East has been trying to have a huge trade and economic network with countries in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. The connection of Europe with the Far East through the geographical area called Anatolia shows the importance of the region. The fact that China with the "One Belt One Road" development program wants to revive a new "silk road" passing through Anatolia shows the importance of the region. It is Turkey's geographical position that makes it primarily a strong country. The reconstruction of its defense industry and its internal development with domestic projects are also important, but they alone could not make Turkey what it is today. Its geographical location is the most important weapon it has.

I disagree,without softpower(economy) and hardpower(defence industry) your location is not a weapon.
China was just a big country till the 90's,Russia was a ''playball'' of the West after the Soviet Union and before Putin,my country was just ''used'' as a ''footsoldier'' till the end of the 90's,only getting ''obsolete'' weaponsystems from the West just to be able to defend its self in case of a war against the Soviets.
Remember,your small country had a beter economy and beter weapons till the middle of the 2000's.