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[R4duga]

Infoglobal Avionics on Instagram: "Direktur Utama PT. Infoglobal Teknologi Semesta, Adi Sasongko dan Direktur Utama PT. Nusantara Turbin dan Propulsi (NTP), Tarmizi Kemal Fasya Lubis menandatangani perjanjian kerjasama Riset maintenance Engine pesawa

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[Captain Wales]

this could be the case , but instead we choose the words "reverse engineer" , don't forget , it's not rolls royce alone who participate creating this engine .

i think turbomecca (now safran helicopter) now more focus on developing and producing helicopter engine.
the development part of adour were mostly taken over by rolls royce and turbomecca only focusing on manufacturing those engine so they can put more RnD resource on helicopter side of things.

 

[NEKO]

Ini gapapa ini diumumin kek gini? Kalau negara lain pas reverse engineering diem diem aje tau2 punya produk KW an.
Ada alasan khusus yang dipilih adour?

 

[Aghost132483]

Honestly, I am hoping that beside develop N219. BPPT, Lapan and PT DI could develop helicopter. PT DI has a long time experience licensing NBO-105, Super Puma and Bell 105. Helicopter is good for rural area transportation too, especially during infrastructure project in Papua, most of Heavy equipment and tools transported by Helicopter.

 

[Indos]

Ini gapapa ini diumumin kek gini? Kalau negara lain pas reverse engineering diem diem aje tau2 punya produk KW an.
Ada alasan khusus yang dipilih adour?

Lebih mudahlah reverse engineering Adour dari pada yg punya USA, untuk tahap awal. Enggak berat diongkos karena pesawat juga udah pada tua dan sempat diover haul di Indonesia juga. Kalau reverse engineer yg punya USA pasti kagak bakal bilang bilang kayak gini he he

 

[Umigami]

Lebih mudahlah reverse engineering Adour dari pada yg punya USA, untuk tahap awal. Enggak berat diongkos karena pesawat juga udah pada tua dan sempat diover haul di Indonesia juga. Kalau reverse engineer yg punya USA pasti kagak bakal bilang bilang kayak gini he he

Tuntutan Hak Cipta gak mengenal negara bro...
(Kecuali mainland..)

 

[Mandala]

^^ Minute 3:06 new MPA for the Indonesian Navy currently under construction.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Infoglobal Avionics on Instagram: "Direktur Utama PT. Infoglobal Teknologi Semesta, Adi Sasongko dan Direktur Utama PT. Nusantara Turbin dan Propulsi (NTP), Tarmizi Kemal Fasya Lubis menandatangani perjanjian kerjasama Riset maintenance Engine pesawa

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Reverse engineering is very hard for gas turbine engines, it isn't just the shape of the compressors or turbines it is much, much more complex than that.

 

[NEKO]

"Karena itu Presiden telah memerintahkan saya satu tahun yang lalu untuk bersama-sama pimpinan TNI menyusun suatu masterplan, rencana induk, 25 tahun yang memberi kepada kita suatu totalitas kemampuan pertahanan. Ini sedang kita rampungkan," ucap Prabowo.

Prabowo: Hilangnya KRI Nanggala-402 Bukti Pertahanan Negara Sangat Rumit - Kompas.com

Prabowo Subianto menyebut, hilangnya kapal selam KRI Nanggala-402 menunjukkan betapa rumitnya pekerjaan mengelola pertahanan negara.

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I am very interested with this so called 25 years master plan, what do you guys think about this so called "totalitas kemampuan pertahanan"?
Total defence capability? I wonder if the defence industry also included, does this project also included within that master plan?
How much independent our indhan would be in 25 year, if this reverse engineering is successful I believe in that time frame we can even develop new engine.

2045 will be so much different compared today.

 

[NEKO]

Reverse engineering is very hard for gas turbine engines, it isn't just the shape of the compressors or turbines it is much, much more complex than that.

Metallurgy is very important.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Metallurgy is very important.

Exactly, and it is going to be very difficult for Indonesia to be able to produce a copy.

Achievable? Yes, but it will be expensive and time consuming.

 

[NEKO]

Exactly, and it is going to be very difficult for Indonesia to be able to produce a copy.

Achievable? Yes, but it will be expensive and time consuming.

Yes, but the rewards is big.

 

[Indos]

Exactly, and it is going to be very difficult for Indonesia to be able to produce a copy.

Achievable? Yes, but it will be expensive and time consuming.

We have metallurgy research institution as well, at least we have some human resources and equipment to do the R&D. It will likely become a long road of course

 

[Philip the Arab]

We have metallurgy research institution as well, at least we have some human resources and equipment to do the R&D. It will likely become a long road of course

Foreign expertise would help greatly, UAE has hired some experts in gas turbine technology for developing turbojets for missile and so far it look to be paying off.

Farthest left guy is South African of Indian origins who has an impressive resume.

 

[Indos]

"Karena itu Presiden telah memerintahkan saya satu tahun yang lalu untuk bersama-sama pimpinan TNI menyusun suatu masterplan, rencana induk, 25 tahun yang memberi kepada kita suatu totalitas kemampuan pertahanan. Ini sedang kita rampungkan," ucap Prabowo.

Prabowo: Hilangnya KRI Nanggala-402 Bukti Pertahanan Negara Sangat Rumit - Kompas.com

Prabowo Subianto menyebut, hilangnya kapal selam KRI Nanggala-402 menunjukkan betapa rumitnya pekerjaan mengelola pertahanan negara.

amp.kompas.com

I am very interested with this so called 25 years master plan, what do you guys think about this so called "totalitas kemampuan pertahanan"?
Total defence capability? I wonder if the defence industry also included, does this project also included within that master plan?
How much independent our indhan would be in 25 year, if this reverse engineering is successful I believe in that time frame we can even develop new engine.

2045 will be so much different compared today.

Did you remember what I have said previously that Mindef is trying to have road map to pursue jet fighter technology beyond Indonesian Aerospace capability that will include many companies and institutions ?

The plan (for jet fighter industry ecosystem) is actually prompted during Indonesian KFX/IFX team presentation (represented by DI Director) to Mindef when DAPA official comes to Jakarta.

 

[FPXAllen]

The plan (for jet fighter industry ecosystem) is actually prompted during Indonesian KFX/IFX team presentation (represented by DI Director) to Mindef when DAPA official comes to Jakarta.

Would love to see the plan. If you can post it here that will be awesome.

 

[Var Dracon]

We have metallurgy research institution as well, at least we have some human resources and equipment to do the R&D. It will likely become a long road of course

Foreign expertise would help greatly, UAE has hired some experts in gas turbine technology for developing turbojets for missile and so far it look to be paying off.

Farthest left guy is South African of Indian origins who has an impressive resume.

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I'm actually skeptical about reverse-engineering the whole Adour. They might be only reverse-engineer some parts of it for maintenance.

Did you remember what I have said previously that Mindef is trying to have road map to pursue jet fighter technology beyond Indonesian Aerospace capability that will include many companies and institutions ?

The plan (for jet fighter industry ecosystem) is actually prompted during Indonesian KFX/IFX team presentation (represented by DI Director) to Mindef when DAPA official comes to Jakarta.

Remind me of how in late 80's or 90's Indonesia has a plan to produce its own fighter. I couldn't find any research publications about it though. I guess it is better late than never.

 

[Indos]

Remind me of how in late 80's or 90's Indonesia has a plan to produce its own fighter. I couldn't find any research publications about it though. I guess it is better late than never.

It was plan to produce Hawk 109/200 in the country, not developing a new fighter plane. The plan cannot get realized due to Asian Economic Crisis (IMF forbid Indonesia gov to finance PTDI- so they cannot build new facility for that) There is also plan to build corvette in the country during 1990s. The design has already been made as well.

 

[Indos]

 

[Stuka Dive]

Copying by reverse engineering may also take a life time,. Manufacturing license is the best way to learn how to manufacture it. In parallel, we start our own R&D to the engine that we need ( for our own PTDI products and for future indigenous fighter jet).