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[Parry Brima]

Indonesia looks to triple submarine fleet after Chinese incursions​

Jakarta focuses on state of navy following death of 53 crew at sea

Indonesian submarine KRI Nanggala-402 was lost at sea in April. The tragedy has spurred the country to beef up its fleet. © Reuters

KOYA JIBIKI, Nikkei staff writer
May 30, 2021 02:24 JST

JAKARTA -- Indonesia aims to expand its submarine fleet by as much a triple its current line up to 12 vessels, multiple defense sources here say, just a month after one of its subs was determined to be lost, killing its entire crew of 53.
The move comes in response to repeated Chinese incursions into its waters. Jakarta will also beef up its fleet of corvettes.
The country had deployed five submarines, but lost one, the KRI Nanggala-402. Indonesia ranks third in the world with the area of waters that fall under its exclusive economic zone, but the size of its submarine fleet pales in comparison to countries such as Japan, which ranks sixth and has 20 vessels.

Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto has indicated that the country will step up investment in military equipment in the wake of the sub accident. As for submarines, Indonesia is pursuing a joint production agreement with South Korea, while France, Russia and Turkey have offered to export the vessels. Japan is exploring the idea of selling submarines to Jakarta.

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Could Japan act as our saviour in terms of military procurement? I mean this is the first time they're selling their military stuff to us. So we can hope that we can reduce those makelaars destructive involvement in our procurement as this Japan deals look to be G2G.

Japan can produce advanced warships, submarines, fighters, etc. that we can rely on in the future if we start now.

 

[FPXAllen]

Could Japan act as our saviour in terms of military procurement? I mean this is the first time they're selling their military stuff to us. So we can hope that we can reduce those makelaars destructive involvement in our procurement as this Japan deals look to be G2G.

Japan can produce advanced warships, submarines, fighters, etc. that we can rely on in the future if we start now.

The thing is, they're still bound to their 'three principles' of arms export adopted in 2014 which still forbids them to export war machines fully built in Japan. That's why they're offering 'joint development' or 'joint production' for their FFM30 proposal which, if realized, will likely be the 'template' of their future arms exports.

This new development about submarines is surprising although not unprecendented. Surprising, since I've thought that they might try to offer their amphibious plane again and not submarines instead.

 

[Parry Brima]

The thing is, they're still bound to their 'three principles' of arms export adopted in 2014 which still forbids them to export war machines fully built in Japan. That's why they're offering 'joint development' or 'joint production' for their FFM30 proposal which, if realized, will likely be the 'template' of their future arms exports.

This new development about submarines is surprising although not unprecendented. Surprising, since I've thought that they might try to offer their amphibious plane again and not submarines instead.

I'm pretty sure they will scrap these principles as they have been changing their defense posture to become an active country in international arms trade.

MHI F-X, their 6th gen fighter development, has already been projected to enter the international market in the future.

 

[Gary]

From FB

 

[Madokafc]

Marine corps

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399323100085293056

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Marine corps View attachment 21953 View attachment 21954 View attachment 21955

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399323100085293056

what is that artilery piece in pict ?
Is it bofors or 61-K ?

 

[Madokafc]

what is that artilery piece in pict ?
Is it bofors or 61-K ?

37 mm Soviet AA gun

 

[Panca]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399187899120111621

 

[Panca]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399454634905796608

Iver?

 

[Lordimperator]

Iver?

Kronos or thales?

 

[NEKO]

Chinese, russian and western gun on KCR 60 class then.

 

[Captain Wales]

Chinese, russian and western gun on KCR 60 class then.

the real gado-gado

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399187899120111621

How they manage to integrated the gun with firing combat system of the ship? Or it is independently worked as stand alone system?

 

[trishna_amrta]

How they manage to integrated the gun with firing combat system of the ship? Or it is independently worked as stand alone system?

Stand alone. Target acquisition is done manually

 

[trishna_amrta]

Could Japan act as our saviour in terms of military procurement? I mean this is the first time they're selling their military stuff to us. So we can hope that we can reduce those makelaars destructive involvement in our procurement as this Japan deals look to be G2G.

Japan can produce advanced warships, submarines, fighters, etc. that we can rely on in the future if we start now.

Looking back at various geopolitical track record, is potentially the most reliable supplier we will ever get.

 

[trishna_amrta]

The thing is, they're still bound to their 'three principles' of arms export adopted in 2014 which still forbids them to export war machines fully built in Japan. That's why they're offering 'joint development' or 'joint production' for their FFM30 proposal which, if realized, will likely be the 'template' of their future arms exports.

Such policy actually benefits us a lot. Whatever came out of it can be easily branded with "Karya Anak Bangsa" branding.

 

[Gary]

I hope they reworked the two hulls, #629 and #628 to all western electronics and weapons during their MLU.

Don't remember if we have these kind of odd experimentation of weaps/electronic outfits since the Claud Jones in the 70s.


Ps: we should also restarted works on KCR-40 with revised western equivalent, it seems the project is dead on the water. Or donate the boats to the Coast guard, where it will serve better for constabulary jobs.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399454634905796608

Iver?

One Alman tweet every week to keep your sanity away.

It is Iver but at least a year is needed for requested modifications which hasn't commenced yet, + the know-how transfer for construction, 2023- early 2024 seems hard for now.

Another shipyard also means a new shipyard apart from PT. PAL with zero experience in frigate construction, at least +2 years for the first hull on construction side, for system integration it is up to magic. If it is anybody else but PAL don't really expect the ship before 2028.

 

[FPXAllen]

Stand alone. Target acquisition is done manually

*Sigh* Darto forever.