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[Ryder]

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Is it official?

 

[Ghost soldier]

Is it official?

Yes and sources close to moroccan military confirmed it and Will be delivered by 2022
“In fact, the negotiations that started in 2019 are just coming to fruition in Q1 2021.

"Indeed, the time to validate the technical needs of Moroccans and to mount the financing and, knowing that it will take about a year before being delivered (2022), the process will therefore have lasted 3 years. ", Says Harrifi to deny some accusations of an emergency order

Source:

Défense : Voici pourquoi le Maroc a choisi des drones turcs (avis d'expert) - Médias24

La presse turque a, récemment, annoncé que le Maroc venait de signer un contrat d’acquisition de 12 drones de combat Bayraktar de type TB2. Selon l’expert militaire Abdelhamid Harifi, cette commande de matériel low-cost qui devrait être livrée, durant l’année 2022, permettra d’étoffer la...

www.medias24.com

 

[Ryder]

Yes and sources close to moroccan military confirmed it and Will be delivered by 2022
“In fact, the negotiations that started in 2019 are just coming to fruition in Q1 2021.

"Indeed, the time to validate the technical needs of Moroccans and to mount the financing and, knowing that it will take about a year before being delivered (2022), the process will therefore have lasted 3 years. ", Says Harrifi to deny some accusations of an emergency order

Source:

Défense : Voici pourquoi le Maroc a choisi des drones turcs (avis d'expert) - Médias24

La presse turque a, récemment, annoncé que le Maroc venait de signer un contrat d’acquisition de 12 drones de combat Bayraktar de type TB2. Selon l’expert militaire Abdelhamid Harifi, cette commande de matériel low-cost qui devrait être livrée, durant l’année 2022, permettra d’étoffer la...

www.medias24.com

Cool thanks for the update. I knew Morocco was going to buy the TB2 just was not sure if it was official. I did not make the map but I think he forgot to put Morocco.

 

[dustdevil]

Artilleries and ground units exists for a reason, UAV detects with SAR payload, artilleries engage with GPS guided bomb. It is a high value target Kasırga, Kaplan or Bora can be launched.
Also these bombs has GPS guidance, for moving targets, or targets requiring surgical operations tracking is more than being sufficient. They can be handled in their destination or via NEB, SOM if the value is high.
Or lastly some kind of MMW guidance can be introduced, or a scaled down Mildar?

What I really want is a Bonus or BAT type munition to kill armor in numbers and very quickly, this combined with a stand off SAR on a bigger platform would be very effective. We can use long range rockets and guided shells as cargo carriers...

Not a novel idea though, same as Assault Breaker project of DARPA...

 

[Isa Khan]

Armed Low-Cost Drones, Made by Turkey, Reshape Battlefields and Geopolitics

Missile-equipped drones built with affordable digital technology helped turn the tide against Russian-backed forces in Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan.

www.wsj.com

 

[Kaan Azman]

"I know right both will have different roles but fanboys just piss me off."

Nah dont worry, I aint the type saying that Akıncı will fly at mesosphere and mess people up on its own. I just pointed out to some slight differences in their usage concepts stemming from different eras of development. The reason I dont think Akıncı will be used like Reaper is just the fact that we have UAVs doing what Reaper does to some extent right now, even though they are much lighter and carry less.

And I also hate people comparing Akıncı and Aksungur like "This better this trash". Aksungur is much cheaper, less complex yet it presents such a great potential for firepower and various patrol duties (obivious reasons for the latter).

 

[nakaFH]

His a dirty neocon

He is barking with no teeth...

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Aksungur is much cheaper

Source?

 

[Kaan Azman]

Aksungur aint as filled as Akıncı when it comes to avionics and I don't need to talk about differences of Turbodiesel and Turboprop engines when it comes to costs, let it be per unit or maintenance. By logic it is. I honestly dont feel the need to wait for a proof about one obivious thing.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Source?

In 2013 Turkish SSM ordered 10 Anka-S drones with 12 ground control stations at a cost of 290million US dollars.
Tunisia purchased 3 Anka-S drones and 3 ground control stations for a price of 80 million US dollars.
Simple arithmetic with inflation correction, gives you around 20million dollars per drone.
Aksungur is bigger with twin engines. It is normal to expect a price tag between 25-30 million dollars each.
So compared to Aksungur, how much more can Akinci be?
It has 2 x Turboprops as opposed to Diesel engines. It will have an Aesa radar. Size wise they are similar.
Baykar cost of manufacturing vs Tusas cost of manufacturing ??
Baykar being a profit orientated private company should be using cheaper parts and materials; Where as Tusas sources expensive locally produced parts. (But after recent embargoes the playing field is more even now)
There are no indicative clues as to how much Akinci can be.
Neither Aksungur nor Akinci have been sold yet. So to say one is more expensive than the other is personal conjecture.
Akinci is going to have a lot more strategic role with it’s Aesa radar and will have to carry a great many equipment to complement it.
In the end how well they will perform will decide how much they are worth.

(By the way, forget about how much they cost in the end. True price will come out when we sell them. That is the real monetary value of the drone)

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Armed Low-Cost Drones, Made by Turkey, Reshape Battlefields and Geopolitics

Missile-equipped drones built with affordable digital technology helped turn the tide against Russian-backed forces in Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan.

www.wsj.com

 

[Zafer]

In 2013 Turkish SSM ordered 10 Anka-S drones with 12 ground control stations at a cost of 290million US dollars.
Tunisia purchased 3 Anka-S drones and 3 ground control stations for a price of 80 million US dollars.
Simple arithmetic with inflation correction, gives you around 20million dollars per drone.
Aksungur is bigger with twin engines. It is normal to expect a price tag between 25-30 million dollars each.
So compared to Aksungur, how much more can Akinci be?
It has 2 x Turboprops as opposed to Diesel engines. It will have an Aesa radar. Size wise they are similar.
Baykar cost of manufacturing vs Tusas cost of manufacturing ??
Baykar being a profit orientated private company should be using cheaper parts and materials; Where as Tusas sources expensive locally produced parts. (But after recent embargoes the playing field is more even now)
There are no indicative clues as to how much Akinci can be.
Neither Aksungur nor Akinci have been sold yet. So to say one is more expensive than the other is personal conjecture.
Akinci is going to have a lot more strategic role with it’s Aesa radar and will have to carry a great many equipment to complement it.
In the end how well they will perform will decide how much they are worth.

(By the way, forget about how much they cost in the end. True price will come out when we sell them. That is the real monetary value of the drone)

Akıncı is faster and can deploy SOM missiles that require fast speed. Glide bombs will go further too. AESA radar and AA missiles enable it to shoot other planes given the opportunity. It will get to and from the theater faster too. Its prize should be around $50mn for a wealthy customer. Depending on the number bought and the ammo selection too.

 

[Era_shield]

It has optional laser designator.

Kuzgun is better than Kırlangıç but Kuzgun is still in development.

Got a source? The specs don't mention any optional laser designator.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Got a source? The specs don't mention any optional laser designator.

Aselsan. There was a brochure pdf for Kırlangıç but they deleted it I guess.

 

[Anmdt]

https://www.havelsan.com.tr/kurumsal/medya-merkezi/havelsan-dergi#7446

Havelsan Journal issue 9
Contains valuable information about future autonomous concepts, integration of manned-unmanned and unmanned-unmanned systems and augmented systems to increase situational awareness.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Thanks yo, really excited for man-machine cooperation in air forces to come by the end of this decade

 

[Saithan]

Kargu-2 is not fully autonomous. There are different levels of autonomy. Kargu is highly autonomous but the user gives the engagement order.

Wouldn’t we be able to create an AI that can direct fire or attack of Kargu if we had a broad camera network that registered faces and location etc. There are plenty of movies that had similar theme. Enemy of the state, Bourne trilogy with cameras. Die hard movie the last one.

If you had camera network and could catch and register faces,ø in the kill list...

 

[TheInsider]

In 2013 Turkish SSM ordered 10 Anka-S drones with 12 ground control stations at a cost of 290million US dollars.
Tunisia purchased 3 Anka-S drones and 3 ground control stations for a price of 80 million US dollars.
Simple arithmetic with inflation correction, gives you around 20million dollars per drone.
Aksungur is bigger with twin engines. It is normal to expect a price tag between 25-30 million dollars each.
So compared to Aksungur, how much more can Akinci be?
It has 2 x Turboprops as opposed to Diesel engines. It will have an Aesa radar. Size wise they are similar.
Baykar cost of manufacturing vs Tusas cost of manufacturing ??
Baykar being a profit orientated private company should be using cheaper parts and materials; Where as Tusas sources expensive locally produced parts. (But after recent embargoes the playing field is more even now)
There are no indicative clues as to how much Akinci can be.
Neither Aksungur nor Akinci have been sold yet. So to say one is more expensive than the other is personal conjecture.
Akinci is going to have a lot more strategic role with it’s Aesa radar and will have to carry a great many equipment to complement it.
In the end how well they will perform will decide how much they are worth.

(By the way, forget about how much they cost in the end. True price will come out when we sell them. That is the real monetary value of the drone)

The fly-away price and price of the complete package are two different things.

 

[Saithan]

Yes and sources close to moroccan military confirmed it and Will be delivered by 2022
“In fact, the negotiations that started in 2019 are just coming to fruition in Q1 2021.

"Indeed, the time to validate the technical needs of Moroccans and to mount the financing and, knowing that it will take about a year before being delivered (2022), the process will therefore have lasted 3 years. ", Says Harrifi to deny some accusations of an emergency order

Source:

Défense : Voici pourquoi le Maroc a choisi des drones turcs (avis d'expert) - Médias24

La presse turque a, récemment, annoncé que le Maroc venait de signer un contrat d’acquisition de 12 drones de combat Bayraktar de type TB2. Selon l’expert militaire Abdelhamid Harifi, cette commande de matériel low-cost qui devrait être livrée, durant l’année 2022, permettra d’étoffer la...

www.medias24.com

Someone in southern parts of Morocco is going to be busy looking for holes to hide in...

 

[Test7]

KARGU-2- Full Review(Turkish)

Range increased from 5 km to 10 km