Bangladesh Might Be The Next Stop For LCA Tejas

[FalconSlayersDFI]

Fraud?am i missing something
How?

Hi, there is a dedicated thread on them at DFI, we exposed them badly, they were caught red handed lying,

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

I hope we learn from the Astra Zeneca vaccine deal with India.
If we are stupid enough to sign a contract for the Tejas, we will be guaranteed to not get it in the next 20 years.

Dude the 2nd wave was unaccounted for, if it would not have been disastrous as it was, the supply would have happened normally. I know it was a pain for BD but still.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

That’s because it didn’t enter service and attained operational standard until 30 years since beginning of development

Still a lot of them have been flying for 20 years, atleast the prototypes who have faced a lot of stress and usage than an average fighter aircraft in active duty would face.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

Mate sanctions doesn’t stall a program for 30 years especially when the sanction party is providing major tech along with its ally.
Are you going to argue the same for Arjun tanks?
Red effect has a whole series on it.

Arjun was deliberately screwed by the Army’s top brass so that T-90s could be imported and a few kickbacks can be ensured. The Army many times changed the requirements during development of the tank. Else there are other projects like ALH which have been successful.

 

[mulj]

It wil probably not, they will wait for hurjet in near future and tfx in longer term.

 

[Raptor]

Mate sanctions doesn’t stall a program for 30 years especially when the sanction party is providing major tech along with its ally.
Are you going to argue the same for Arjun tanks?
Red effect has a whole series on it.

Yet another gibberish from you
TD of tejas already took it's first flight in 2001,then it had to do its developmental trials for which prototypes have to be rolled out for which you need engine,which cannot be supplied under sanctions.
This made sure that tejas delays it's trials and induction timelines.

For arjun watch the video of alpha defense and red effect collaboration,there he also said it's a very capable tank.

 

[Raptor]

Arjun was deliberately screwed by the Army’s top brass so that T-90s could be imported and a few kickbacks can be ensured. The Army many times changed the requirements during development of the tank. Else there are other projects like ALH which have been successful.

Arjun is a very capable tank,inducted later though because of lobbying but still it does makes up for indian armed forces.
These people just watch videos and don't know the real technicality.
Red effect himself said something which they won't see

 

[Micheal Corleone]

Dude the 2nd wave was unaccounted for, if it would not have been disastrous as it was, the supply would have happened normally. I know it was a pain for BD but still.

Business is business regardless of what’s happening, if you can’t live upto the contracts maybe not take the contract? Doesn’t give a good look when you fail

 

[Micheal Corleone]

Still a lot of them have been flying for 20 years, atleast the prototypes who have faced a lot of stress and usage than an average fighter aircraft in active duty would face.

Yeah nah, prototypes are used for testing and development, not missions

 

[Micheal Corleone]

Arjun was deliberately screwed by the Army’s top brass so that T-90s could be imported and a few kickbacks can be ensured. The Army many times changed the requirements during development of the tank. Else there are other projects like ALH which have been successful.

It’s the usual Indian bureaucracy that is present with Indian projects, India’s first aircraft carrier also suffered for similar reasons

 

[Micheal Corleone]

Yet another gibberish from you
TD of tejas already took it's first flight in 2001,then it had to do its developmental trials for which prototypes have to be rolled out for which you need engine,which cannot be supplied under sanctions.
This made sure that tejas delays it's trials and induction timelines.

For arjun watch the video of alpha defense and red effect collaboration,there he also said it's a very capable tank.

Well these issues are no longer apparent and indian airforce still squirms to replace all vintage fighters with tejas. The navy wouldn’t touch it.
Yes I watched the collab video. Redeffect’s main intention was to stop the misinformation the other channel was spreading and highlight its weaknesses

 

[Raptor]

Well these issues are no longer apparent and indian airforce still squirms to replace all vintage fighters with tejas. The navy wouldn’t touch it.
Yes I watched the collab video. Redeffect’s main intention was to stop the misinformation the other channel was spreading and highlight its weaknesses

Well what Air force what upto is to replace the mig 21s by 22or so tejas mk1 and tejas mk1a(advanced variant) so developing a newer advanced variant pushed mig 21 to further service.
The orders of 83 tejas mk1a were signed it would be delivered by 2025-26,retiring mig21s phase wise.
Your concerns are genuine tho

 

[Nilgiri]

Odd,you can't really operationalise a fighter jet that standard when you get harsh sanctions for nuclear tests.
If you would've spend a little time and checked the facts,you wouldn't spread this gibberish here.
@Nilgiri Can tell better

Bro, we have a lot to do on all such matters, direct and related, the journey is very early (compared to the time spent where things just extracted from us) and has been beset by many challenges past and present.

Yes we took a hit (from others) on number of strategic decisions like WMD development and the space+missile technology to deliver these...both have significant cross over into civilian realm, that was all part of the whole point of going for no-compromise route there from foreign pressure.

Not to mention the earlier (cold war) western threat + sanction related to helping liberation and the political formation for people facing a genocide in our neighbourhood region...that no doubt stymied ease of our economic options for rest of cold war (70s and 80s) in a number of ways....some of which continued as long as India was relatively weak (in 90s) compared to population.

While we should remember context of those challenges, we must also take heed of our aggregate intellectual and business/commercial fortitude and long term growth of these for continued diversification and expansion of our economy and world power.

A few examples:

Our country had about 2k patents granted abroad per year at start of last decade (2010). This number has now grown more than 3 times to 7k+ per year now.

Thus we should focus on doing all we can to having this triple again this new decade.

Same thing goes for our science output. 81k SJR science documents per year (in 2010) increased to more than 200k now in 2020.

So again we must look to do about the same or better this decade (i.e 2 - 2.5 times).

When it comes to business, our total market capitalisation increased from about 1.5 trillion USD (in 2010) to 3 trillion USD today. So again hopefully we can double this or better this decade.

I dont have to tell you how these numbers looked during and before the 90s when the journey was even earlier in infancy.

Simply put it is better to listen to criticism and/or validation from those ahead of us or similar to us in these parameters (in per person way and soundly proven)....the very logic (of learn + emulation + innovate) that has now gotten us somewhere so far.

Be it one well ahead like France's Safran working with our aviation ecosystem now in significant way...or a closer peer like Brazil choosing us to launch their first indigenous satellite into space recently.

If some place is far behind on these (and I don't mean by a little, I mean by a lot), we should not care much about what their opinion of us is (good or bad)....as it is a hollow opinion and it is frankly better for them to focus on improving that first before taking some huge interest in us.

I say all this because no matter what we should not take eye off of our objectives. It strongly matters that we have the strongest possible cards and strategy to give us widest range of options going forward in cooperating, acquiring and improving upon our total bargaining strength with countries that matter on issues that matter to us (strength and well being).

This is exactly how our development in missile ecosystem has matured and really started to flourish now and churned out with increasing frequency (SFD Ramjet, HSTDV, you name it on back of proven rocketry and sensoring).

More we improve broadly on the macro scale, more this will naturally segue into all tech ecosystems of relevance today....it is important we allow our corporate business side to continue to grow with proven investment.

India cannot afford to have any real mismatch between our nominal and real GDP (current vs constant dollar) for example. Hidden and real inflation effects must be kept minimal by sound RBI institutionalism (it took a long time to get it where it is)....every rupee needs as much proven supply+consumption capacity.

If all that is "baniya" or whatever to others, so be it. If they want to laugh at whatever amount of time it took something (for whatever reason and context they ignore), let them.

Just ask yourself first does it come from a critic that matters in first place? Lot of critics laughed and scoffed at early SLV program under Mr. Kalam in late 70s/early 80s....a man born not too far away from my hometown.

It took long time (now 40+ years?) for SLV to mature into what it has now (and cross pollinated into military missiles most crucially)...they can still laugh at the time duration if they so desire.....but worthy critics actually take note and have long stopped laughing.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

Business is business regardless of what’s happening, if you can’t live upto the contracts maybe not take the contract? Doesn’t give a good look when you fail

Dude TSMC also has a lot of orders but they are unable to fulfill it due to pandemic, thus a chip shortage occured, if you expect us to be super humans then I can’t do anything, businesses worldwide are affected and this is the reason why world economy is shrinking, India is no exception.

 

[Micheal Corleone]

Dude TSMC also has a lot of orders but they are unable to fulfill it due to pandemic, thus a chip shortage occured, if you expect us to be super humans then I can’t do anything, businesses worldwide are affected and this is the reason why world economy is shrinking, India is no exception.

With TSMC it’s different because car manufacturers cancelled their order and then they retooled for consumer electronics chips, apple is the bulk of their book and getting them delivered. The sudden influx of auto industry for massive orders is causing the problem
Whereas india accepted investment into its manufacturing plants from many countries including bd and then failed to provide the product they took the money for.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

With TSMC it’s different because car manufacturers cancelled their order and then they retooled for consumer electronics chips, apple is the bulk of their book and getting them delivered. The sudden influx of auto industry for massive orders is causing the problem
Whereas india accepted investment into its manufacturing plants from many countries including bd and then failed to provide the product they took the money for.

Businesses are affected worldwide, this is the reason world economy shrunk else why would we not deliver it? Our own domestic demand got over stressed.

 

[Micheal Corleone]

Businesses are affected worldwide, this is the reason world economy shrunk else why would we not deliver it? Our own domestic demand got over stressed.

Exactly. Your govt. is incompetent. No offense

 

[Zapper]

Hi, there is a dedicated thread on them at DFI, we exposed them badly, they were caught red handed lying,

I've seen that thread...their CEO is pretty active on twitter and linkedin and even responds to DMs. Did y'all try contacting him?

 

[Nilgiri]

Businesses are affected worldwide, this is the reason world economy shrunk else why would we not deliver it? Our own domestic demand got over stressed.

UN COVAX program and related bilateral agreements are on the same principle. People either can read up on that and understand it or not.

It is also every country's own govt's choice to rely on that stuff exclusively... and if they have the means, it is their duty to diversify their acquisition streams...and treat the whole thing with the highest seriousness and hedging they can.

It is not an "investment" ( a market price compensation is not an investment) or some "violation".

The fine print on where needs are and what the various exceptions and liabilities are (given the nature of the issue being a highly transmissible contagion) is all there in the signed agreements.

No country will take India (SII) to court for example on this (like would be for any actual contract violation)...as they signed knowing all of this.

Countries (govt + corporates) are also responsible for long term development of their own pharma and medical industries and capacities...given all this talk on "investment" and "competence" suddenly...so they can establish minimal reliance on others to begin with.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

I've seen that thread...their CEO is pretty active on twitter and linkedin and even responds to DMs. Did y'all try contacting him?

no