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Easy now sore loser.

I don't know what universe you are living in, but the Taliban have captured exactly those areas which aren't traditionally under their control. I guess you haven't read the news, but your Northern Alliance buddies have been joining the Taliban ranks left and right. Many are fleeing to neighboring without even putting a fight.

LOL why do you keep pleading Turkey to intervene on your behalf? As a Bosnian you don't even belong to this region. What do you even know about Pashtun, Uzbeks or Hazaras? Can you even point out Afghanistan on a map?

lol you really need to get a life

I sympathize with the Uzbeks and Hazaras because it's my personal choice and because I believe that people should be free from persecution and tyranny.

What the Taliban did in the past is not the Islamic way. No consensus. They just walked in and killed fellow Muslims simply because they followed different customs and way of life to them.

And yes Turkey should support Uzbeks and Hazaras if they are on the verge of getting ethnically cleansed and slaughtered by the Taliban again.
 

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lol you really need to get a life

I sympathize with the Uzbeks and Hazaras because it's my personal choice and because I believe that people should be free from persecution and tyranny.

What the Taliban did in the past is not the Islamic way. No consensus. They just walked in and killed fellow Muslims simply because they followed different customs and way of life to them.

And yes Turkey should support Uzbeks and Hazaras if they are on the verge of getting ethnically cleansed and slaughtered by the Taliban again.

You still haven't answered my questions genius. You propose that Turkey fight against Pashtun i.e. Taliban. How are the Turks exactly going to do this? Through Bosnian border area? LOL Just enlighten us about your master plan to defeat the Pashtun. I am all ears.
 

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Calm down Internet tough guy

The Taliban and associated Pashtun supremacist groups can control Southern Afghanistan if that is what the Pashtuns are happy with for all I care

However they have no place in NORTHERN Afghanistan especially in areas where Uzbeks, Hazaras and Tajiks make up the majority of the population. The Taliban have persecuted these groups before.

Turkey should use it's power & influence to protect Uzbeks and Hazaras in Northern Afghanistan. If you or the Taliban are unhappy with this and want to fight Turkey over it then fine. Nothing a few TB2 Bayraktar drones cant fix.

There are no "Pashtun supremacist" just Pashtun's & They just took northern Afghanistan check the maps posted few pages back. And there is no persecution of any minority by Pashtun's.
Soviet lost their empire to these guys, USA and NATO had to leave in the middle of the night but Turkey must use its influence + TB2s etc. :rolleyes:
Its not Turkey problem what ever is going on in there nor Turkey caused it.
 

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Soften your language and deliver your messages without provoking the other side.

Thanks for your understanding.
 

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Soften your language and deliver your messages without provoking the other side.

Thanks for your understanding.

A very innocent question if I may ask. Can Turkey save Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras from the evil Pashtun? Does Turkey hate Pashtun community as the Bosnian continues to propagate? I want to hear it from you. An administrator of this site.
 
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A very innocent question if I may ask. Can Turkey save Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras from evil Pashtun?

Turks are the last nation on Earth to hate Pakistani people. I am just reminding the rules All our members can ask and discuss anything as long as the forum rules are followed. The members you are discussing will surely give an appropriate answer to your question. Thanks
 

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All our members can ask and discuss anything as long as the forum rules are followed. The members you are discussing will surely give an appropriate answer to your question. Thanks

What is your opinion? The Bosnian dude has a fetish for involving Turkey against the Pashtun in Afghanistan. Don't shy from answering the question.
 

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Turks are the last nation on Earth to hate Pakistani people. I am just reminding the rules All our members can ask and discuss anything as long as the forum rules are followed. The members you are discussing will surely give an appropriate answer to your question. Thanks

What about the Pashtun? The Bosnian dude claims that Turks have a responsibility to protect Turkic people.
 

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>Be Bosnian
>Get genocided by serbs
>Get help from Pakistan in the form of ATGM's
>Blow up some serb tanks
>FF 30 years later, bitch at Pakistan from 5000km away which is trying to prevent from being geo-strategically outmaneuvered by India and an India-friendly Afghanistan

🙃

Luckily we have real Bosnians like @mulj on this forum
 
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A very innocent question if I may ask. Can Turkey save Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras from the evil Pashtun? Does Turkey hate Pashtun community as the Bosnian geezer continues to propagate?
Both of you guys need to get a grip. There is no indication of any ethnic cleansing. Taliban are primaril;y driven by Islam and ethnicity is secondary to them. That is why they took in riff raff from across the Muslim world in the past. Many members of East Turkistan movement armed to the teeth who would never have got refuge in Bosnia or Turkey unless they calmed down were taken in with open arms by Taliban. The only group I feel is in danger are not the Turkic Uzbeks or Turkmens but the Hazara and even then that is not because they are of Mongol origin - it is because they are mostly Shia and are backed by Iran.

Rest of the punching going on here is just plain infantile and you guys need to stop it. The solution lies in all the neighbours coming together and Turkey also playing a vital role in this. I think the Uzbek President and PM Imran Khan have hit off and will try to resolve the issue as a team. I am sure Turks will play a part in this. Earlier I saw Uzbek President, Turkish FM and PM Imran Khan at the conferance in Tashkent having a close discussion. So until we see some genocide kicking off can we drop this crap.

@Dalit what did I ask as a favour? And the next time I see you use "LOL" my hand is gonna come through that screen and strangle you.

@Bosanski Vojnik you seem to have this genocide paranoia. Now I can understand what happened to you guys in heart of civilized Europe but you need to perhaps begin to heal by now. By the way the greatest killing of Turkic people has been done by Russians. In fact in Central Asia they indulged in genocide and mass cultural suppression, population transfers etc.
 

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>Be Bosnian
>Get genocided by serbs
>Get help from Pakistan in the form of ATGM's
>Blow up some Serb tanks
>FF 30 years later, bitch at Pakistan from 5000km away which is trying to prevent from being geo-strategically outmaneuvered by India and an India-friendly Afghanistan

🙃

Luckily we have real Bosnians like @mulj on this forum
10/10. The funny thing is lot of the crazies who volunteered to fight the Serbs [who else would go off into Bosnia when the Serbs were going wild but be crazy] were actually Pashtuns with combat experiance fighting the Russkes during 1979-89
 

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India-friendly Afghanistan
Just to clarify before 9/11 Afghanistan was not India friendly. It was the US invasion with Pakistan providing the logistical and launching pad that changed everything. This would be akin to say Turkey helping America to invade Iraq who then hand over Baghdad to pro Russian Kurdish group who despise Turkey. Pakistan literaly helped to get it's own enemy gain the upper hand. After 20 years thank god the whole thing is being undone.

Just two months ago on that Spin Boldak border that Taliban took over ANA opened fire on our FC border troops. Now we have Taliban roaming and shaking hands with out FC troopers at the gate.

Regularly we lost FC troopers in exchange of fire. Pakistan had helped to bring these cnuts into power. Pakistan also has sizeable Mongol Hazara population who often join the military. In 2016 we lost a Hazara army officer - Major Ali Jawad Changezi thanks to cross border firing.

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Edit: Our Prime Minister Imran Khan is a ethnic Pashtun but born in Lahore, Punjab.
 

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There are no "Pashtun supremacist" just Pashtun's & They just took northern Afghanistan check the maps posted few pages back. And there is no persecution of any minority by Pashtun's.
Soviet lost their empire to these guys, USA and NATO had to leave in the middle of the night but Turkey must use its influence + TB2s etc. :rolleyes:
Its not Turkey problem what ever is going on in there nor Turkey caused it.

Don't conflate the Mujahadeen with the Taliban

The Mujahadeen contained Tajiks, Uzbeks and Afghans of all ethnicities and tribal affiliations. The Taliban who support a Pashtun Extremist narrative do otherwise

And yes the Taliban are very much an Afghan-Pakistan version of the KKK

BTW nobody hates Pakistan or Pashtuns here. My issue is with the Taliban's actions in terms of trying to apply Shariah to Afghanistan and an ideology that essentially promotes the Pashtun-Islamist cause over a consensus with ethnic groups throughout Afghanistan.

It's shocking that members of this forum are quick to forget some of the war crimes and ethnic cleansing done by the Taliban in the past.
 

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Both of you guys need to get a grip. There is no indication of any ethnic cleansing. Taliban are primaril;y driven by Islam and ethnicity is secondary to them. That is why they took in riff raff from across the Muslim world in the past. Many members of East Turkistan movement armed to the teeth who would never have got refuge in Bosnia or Turkey unless they calmed down were taken in with open arms by Taliban. The only group I feel is in danger are not the Turkic Uzbeks or Turkmens but the Hazara and even then that is not because they are of Mongol origin - it is because they are mostly Shia and are backed by Iran.

Rest of the punching going on here is just plain infantile and you guys need to stop it. The solution lies in all the neighbours coming together and Turkey also playing a vital role in this. I think the Uzbek President and PM Imran Khan have hit off and will try to resolve the issue as a team. I am sure Turks will play a part in this. Earlier I saw Uzbek President, Turkish FM and PM Imran Khan at the conferance in Tashkent having a close discussion. So until we see some genocide kicking off can we drop this crap.

@Dalit what did I ask as a favour? And the next time I see you use "LOL" my hand is gonna come through that screen and strangle you.

@Bosanski Vojnik you seem to have this genocide paranoia. Now I can understand what happened to you guys in heart of civilized Europe but you need to perhaps begin to heal by now. By the way the greatest killing of Turkic people has been done by Russians. In fact in Central Asia they indulged in genocide and mass cultural suppression, population transfers etc.

Do I agree with Northern Alliance strategically setting up ties with India? No. Is Tajikistans close ties to India worrisime? Yes I do agree.

I always thought they should work out a deal with Pakistan to set up some sort of Power Sharing structure in Afghanistan. However the Taliban seem to want to take over the whole of the country. Maybe this meeting between PM Khan, Uzbek President and Turkish FM in Tashkent can facilitate some sort of genuine peace between the people.

BTW There is no way you can say Taliban were not involved in ethnic cleansing without a straight face. They most certainly did.
 

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The Mujahadeen contained Tajiks, Uzbeks and Afghans of all ethnicities and tribal affiliations. The Taliban who support a Pashtun Extremist narrative do otherwise
I think I already explained to you that Mujihadeen was just a umbrella term for variety of factions fighting the Russians. The largest component of the Muj were Pashtuns because they are the largest % of Afghanistan. After Soviets left the Muj devolved into it's generic factions with one morphing into NA and other Taliban. So all the groups you see today have the Mujihadeen as their antecedents with exception of Dostum who was I believe with the Russians. Father of Taliban was the Mujihadeen warrior Mullah Omar who had lost a eye fighting the Russians.


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Mullah Mohammed Omar (Pashto: ملا محمد عمر‎, Mullā Muḥammad 'Umar; 1960[12][13][14] – 23 April 2013)[7][8][15] was an Afghan mujahideen commander who led the Taliban,[16] and founded the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in 1996.[1][2][17][18][19][20][21]

Omar fought as a rebel soldier with the anti-Soviet Mujahideen under the command of Nek Mohammed of the Hizb-e-Islami Khalis, but he did not fight against the communist regime of Najibullah between 1989 and 1992.[35] It was reported that he was "a crack marksman who had destroyed many Soviet tanks during the Afghan War".[48]

Omar was wounded four times. Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef claims to have been present when exploding shrapnel destroyed one of Omar's eyes during a battle in Sangsar, Panjwaye District shortly before the 1987 Battle of Arghandab.[10] Other sources place this event in 1986[55] or in the 1989 Battle of Jalalabad.[11]
 

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>Be Bosnian
>Get genocided by serbs
>Get help from Pakistan in the form of ATGM's
>Blow up some serb tanks
>FF 30 years later, bitch at Pakistan from 5000km away which is trying to prevent from being geo-strategically outmaneuvered by India and an India-friendly Afghanistan

🙃

Luckily we have real Bosnians like @mulj on this forum

Did I even mention Pakistan in a negative light in any of my posts?

My problem is with the Talibans past actions and lack of ownership over them.

Taliban extremists have caused havoc in both Afghanistsan and Pakistan. Remember what happened to Malala Yousefzai?
 

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BTW There is no way you can say Taliban were not involved in ethnic cleansing without a straight face. They most certainly did.
There was always under current of ethnic killing as always this happens but this is applicable to all groups and not exclusive preserve of Taliban.
 

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There was always under current of ethnic killing as always this happens but this is applicable to all groups and not exclusive preserve of Taliban.

right okay...

So nothing wrong with me shooting someone if everyone on my street does it..

btw I wonder how "Islamic" is that? Did Prophet Muhammed PBUH instruct Muslims to act like this and copy the ways of their enemies?
 

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