TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

Dosirak said:

I think either that's not what he meant or you misunderstood what he said. F-22's internal weapon payload is nowhere near 9.5t and It could carry only a couple of bombs and A2A missiles. I think what you are thinking at the moment is the figure includes internal fuel capacity.

I could see a pattern of a lack of general knowledge here...

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Lol, read again. I said, Total internal payload capacity. Not total internal weapon capacity. That is why I also added-

Afif said:

From that, at least 1000-1200kg would be for internal weapons.

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And F-22 carries 6x AIM-120 and 2x AIM-9.

Those alone would weigh around 1100kg. Thus for KAAN-

Afif said:

it would be ludacris to assume KAAN won't be able to carry at least 4 BVR missile (in the main weapon bay) and 2 WVR missile (in side bays). That along would weigh more than 800kg.

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Dosirak said:

Do you have any evidence it has happened so TF-X could accomodate more weapon internally? I am going with the operational requirements presented by Turkish Airforce.

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We don't have direct evidence but its length went from 19m to 21m and wing area was also increased. TFX is meant to use Turkish made weapons and they are still in development so weapons bay requirements would be expected to change accordingly.

I think people are referring to this but,

It's massive

Afif said:

Lol, read again. I said, Total internal payload capacity. Not total internal weapon capacity. That is also why I also added-



And F-22 carries 6x AIM-120 and 2x AIM-9.

Those alone would weigh around 1100kg. Thus for KAAN-

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I previously used the term internal payload specifically refers to weapon payload. My apology as I was a little bit baffled as you talked the figures between 9.5t to 10t as F-22 cannot be that high.

Hence, I said

I think what you are thinking at the moment is the figure includes internal fuel capacity.

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And indeed you were.

I think you are doing an educated guess and I don't disgaree with your logic, but I only agree with what is said in the presentation by Turkish Airforce. They said it, the weapon paylod of TF-X, is 1000lbs (~500kg).

uçuyorum said:

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I think people are referring to this but,
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It's massive

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Perhaps not massive enough to carry a SOM-J like a cruise missile.

Otherwise, I don't know how could you refute Turkish Airforce's own figure of 1000lbs?

I don't know why you are taking that presentation as the only and sole true source, there were many revisions made to the project and aircraft after that.


It is 3 years old ffs



You see, if you take that presentation as your source, Kaan is not able to carry most of Turkish munitions at all.



Also according to that presentation, there needs to be 3 development aircraft, not 7

Radonsider said:

I don't know why you are taking that presentation as the only and sole true source, there were many revisions made to the project and aircraft after that.


It is 3 years old ffs

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If you have any other evidence than I am happy to be listen.

However, there is no point of further discussion if you don't have any source and don't understand that design & engineering of modern combat aircraft are difficult to modify without further delay.

You see, if you take that presentation as your source, Kaan is not able to carry most of Turkish munitions at all.

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Perhaps TF-X can't carry some Turkish weapons because of weight & dimension limits and it is not unusual. Even F-22 can't carry all American weapons internally.

Here is an official confirmation of SOM-J in KAAN's IWB's (from head of Tübitak SAGE, ones who develop SOM-J)

Here, the discussion ends. There is no need to discuss further as it has been proven that A-K/2021-2 presentation is outdated to some extent and not a reliable source for your claims

Just a tip, don't be too fixated

Radonsider said:

TÜBİTAK SAGE Türkiye'nin yeni füzelerini hazırlıyor

TÜBİTAK SAGE, yüksek teknoloji ürünü bir dizi füze ve mühimmatı güvenlik güçlerinin kullanımına sunmaya hazırlanıyor. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Here is an official confirmation of SOM-J in KAAN's IWB's (from head of Tübitak SAGE, ones who develop SOM-J)

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Nowhere in your article confirms that TF-X carries SOM-J internally. Turkish Airforce's presentation says that it is carried externally.

And your article was published before Turkish Airforce presented their overview of TF-X programme. Sigh. No more reply for you unless you bring up some actual evidence.

Dosirak said:

Nowhere in your article confirms that TF-X carries SOM-J internally. Turkish Airforce's presentation says that it is carried externally.

And your article was published before Turkish Airforce presented their overview of TF-X programme. Sigh. No more reply for you unless you bring up some actual evidence.

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Are you trolling?

"SOM-J, F-35 iç istasyonu için geliştirilen bir seyir füzesi olmakla beraber hem F-16'da hem Milli Muharip Uçağımızın (MMU) iç istasyonunda kullanılabilecek çok yetenekli önemli bir seyir füzemiz. İHA tarafından çoklu taşıma imkanları da sağlayacağı için SOM-J'yi görebileceğimizi düşünüyorum."

"Although SOM-J is a cruise missile developed for the F-35 internal station, it is an important and very capable cruise missile that can be used both in the F-16 and in the internal station of our National Combat Aircraft (MMU). Since it will also provide multiple transportation opportunities by UAV, SOM-J I think we might see J.”

Yeah, you definitely are

Radonsider said:

Are you trolling?

"SOM-J, F-35 iç istasyonu için geliştirilen bir seyir füzesi olmakla beraber hem F-16'da hem Milli Muharip Uçağımızın (MMU) iç istasyonunda kullanılabilecek çok yetenekli önemli bir seyir füzemiz. İHA tarafından çoklu taşıma imkanları da sağlayacağı için SOM-J'yi görebileceğimizi düşünüyorum."


Yeah, you definitely are

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A rough English translation of "SOM-J, F-35 iç istasyonu için geliştirilen bir seyir füzesi olmakla beraber hem F-16'da hem Milli Muharip Uçağımızın (MMU) iç istasyonunda kullanılabilecek çok yetenekli önemli bir seyir füzemiz. İHA tarafından çoklu taşıma imkanları da sağlayacağı için SOM-J'yi görebileceğimizi düşünüyorum. Entegrasyonla ilgili bazı çalışmalar başladı. F-16'dan ilk atış testlerimizi tamamladıktan sonra hızla bu yıl içinde İHA'larda da önemli yol alacağımızı düşünüyorum."

is Although SOM-J is a cruise missile developed for the F-35 internal station, it is an important and very capable cruise missile that can be used both on the F-16 and on the internal station of our National Combat Aircraft (MMU). I think we can see SOM-J as it will also provide multiple transportation opportunities by UAV. Some work on integration has started. "After completing our first firing tests from the F-16, I think we will make significant progress in UAVs this year."

How is that any official confirmation? The guy was basically saying his company will work on F-16 first then UAVs next. Never confirmed that TF-X will carry SOM-J internally.

Even your article is outdated. Your article was published in May, 2021 and Turkish Airforce presented the overview of TF-X program in June, 2021. So much for

There is no need to discuss further as it has been proven that A-K/2021-2 presentation is outdated to some extent and not a reliable sourc

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Sigh.

I guess that's enough of me talking for today.

Dosirak said:

Nowhere in your article confirms that TF-X carries SOM-J internally. Turkish Airforce's presentation says that it is carried externally.

And your article was published before Turkish Airforce presented their overview of TF-X programme. Sigh. No more reply for you unless you bring up some actual evidence.

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Dosirak, you are mostly correct. However, it is believed that SOM-M listed in below tweet is believed to be a variant of SOM for the İWB of MMU mentioned in the article. No concrete evidence, just people speculate that way.

I like how you are omitting MMU from your point of view.


Adam daha MMU, TF-X, KAAN ne bilmiyor bana projeyi öğretmeye çalışıyor, gerçekten yani...

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Mr.Superintelligent, "The guy" is head of the organisation that develops SOM, Gökdoğan, KGK etc.
>"and on the internal station of our National Combat Aircraft (MMU)."

Guys calm down.

If I say "Meteor missile can be used in the iwb of mmu", it does not necessarily mean mmu will use it. This is Dosirak's view.

infrared said:

Guys calm down.

If I say "Meteor missile can be used in the iwb of mmu", it does not necessarily mean mmu will use it. This is Dosirak's view.

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No, he is talking about the "ability"

Radonsider said:

No, he is talking about the "ability"

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Bro we are trying to find a middle ground. Please be more welcoming. We need more non-Turkiye affiliated people in this forum.

Internal 1000lb figure was for "each" bay, one lookin with not-bad-faith should've saw that ?

Each main tandem bay was illustrated with 2x BVR or 4x SDB type of munition. Do you really think complete internal capacity is 1000lb with this payload ?

Anatolian Eagle 2021 Exercise - MMU Press Presentation is either old info right now or it is alteredly presented for INFOSEC and OPSEC.

Some fvked up rumors are okay and acceptable, but other than presentation from 2021, eeeverything is not correct and not acceptable and straight out lies...

Really...

Everyone please calm down. @Dosirak is asking and pointing out questions that need to be clarified.
Please reply amicably to the questions.

I'm thinking out loud. Kaan iwb has 7 equally distant notches of sorts on sides. Now it has to be around 4 meters to fit som j or gökdoğan and if they are equally divided chances are maybe they are 2 feet apart, for a total of 14 = 4.2 meters. From there i speculate the width is around 1.8 meters and height is like 700-800cm to the steel structures on top. But these are me eyeballing. That tells me with addition of hardpoints, MK84 is a bit too thick, but you should be able to fit 2 or 3 MK83, or why not modify a more rectangular MK84 like munition?

Edit: wait MK84 diameter is 45cm not radius, that means it could fit 2?, in fact even if we take a lower estimate like 3.8 to 1.5 meter it should fit