Live Conflict Pakistan-India Tensions

Nilgiri

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Along with this, let me add something that a distinguished Pakistani gentlemen (Oscar) posted in other forum to get a fairly sensible Pak perspective. (Who knows more then any other Pak folks IMO)

"Because right when they hit it they handed over dossiers claiming all these locations were terrorist hideouts - linking to internationally declared terrorist orgs - and in it claimed they did their best by using small munitions to avoid civilian causalities.

They had additional targets - and as they tried to force in have been brought down in the process. Then they pivoted to thinking of activating cold start but without the ability to push PAF out are nervous about launching their strike corps on just SAM cover.

If you hit them - they will disregard caution and this goes well beyond this and their numbers ensure that they will prevail in places while you hold them in others.
Both sides bleed but they have a lot more sustaining resources than you.


So either you will cave then, or launch nukes - either way the calculus is bad but there is a mix of hawkish egos on both sides along with wanting a face saving withdrawal which everyone including all your allies are pushing."



To simply put, Indian armed forces usually start (I am generalizing) looking a bit disorganized in early responses and initiatives in short lived tactical events. (Like this or the one in 2019) However, in the logn shot as time passes and they get their act together, they utilize their number and resource advantage. @Sanchez @TheInsider



PS: Right now this is looking ominous because Pak seems to be preparing to hit back (hard?)

Oscar is close to a 10/10 on many matters at hand (when I rarely mark folks above 5/10 to begin with)....so yes this is useful to compare/contrast with what I posted....I am not surprised one bit at his wording and analysis.

The IAF basically operating in a "timid tier" that it is not designed for currently in its ORBAT....then with no SEAD on top (i.e weariness of this conflict level along with say large missile strikes etc).. = attrition, no matter how good a pilot is.

India is not a "big-Israel" and Pakistan is no Palestine....but too much of that kind of thinking has permeated Indian decision makers and political higher ups....and we get this mess of results in end (IAF then has to execute however flawed at all these tiers)....and whatever is to come still. Time only marches in one direction....can't do do-overs.

Right now India has to be prepared for Pakistan retaliation and however that goes from there

How it pieces together and analyses things regd mistakes in the operations sense (mid term) and waiting out for political change/reform for better unclouded decision making with as little hubris as possible (very long term stuff) are secondary things right now.

So let us see.
 

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Major blow to India without a doubt

Regardless of the numerous propaganda posted by Indian users, French officials are admitting that at least 1 Rafale jet has been downed by Pakistan

India will never ever admit such a fact as they had paid nearly 91 million euros per
plane and was always boasting and ranting about how amazing the Rafale is and how much of an edge it gives against Pakistan and China to its people



India now has to prepare for a possible Pakistani offensive as well as a response to such an offensive. IMO, Pakistan would better opt to some rocket strikes and call it a a day since India's reputation as well as its air force have become the laughingstock of the international community rn. Since a full-blown war, especially an attrition war, wont be easy for Pakistan at all considering that India is a nation of 1+ billion people
 

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I understand that Pakistan will have to answer in a way that isn't escalatory, but if India attacked a hydropower plant as the Danish news reported. I expect that any infrastructure is a valid target.

I'm just as much interested in the international repercussions that may result in the attack by IAF. If we were living in times that is.

I mean, if IAF attack on the 9 locations said to be have been madrassas, power plant and others aren't terrorist targets but infrastructure and civilian structures. Wouldn't the countries selling arms to India not normally face a sort of embargo.

But I could be wrong and it"s just Türkiye that is hit with all kinds of sanctions just because we sneeze.
 

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I understand that Pakistan will have to answer in a way that isn't escalatory, but if India attacked a hydropower plant as the Danish news reported. I expect that any infrastructure is a valid target.

I'm just as much interested in the international repercussions that may result in the attack by IAF. If we were living in times that is.

I mean, if IAF attack on the 9 locations said to be have been madrassas, power plant and others aren't terrorist targets but infrastructure and civilian structures. Wouldn't the countries selling arms to India not normally face a sort of embargo.

But I could be wrong and it"s just Türkiye that is hit with all kinds of sanctions just because we sneeze.
I do not think that the embargo conditions used as an excuse for Türkiye are valid for India.
 

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According to the information, the Indian service plane crashed early in the morning in Akalia Kala village of Bathinda district. When it crashed and exploded, locals came to see it and now another explosion has occurred, injuring 9 people and killing one.

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They removed the news from the news site but forgot to delete the facebook post.
post date : 07 May 2025 07:11 (UTC+3)



 

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There "Rafale" is written in French. It is written correctly. The French even write NATO "the other way around" - OTAN

Rafale is the proper name of the aircraft. It’s not ‘’Rafele’’ or ‘’Rafaele’’ like we often see on social media. And OTAN means ‘’Organisation du Traité de l’Atlantique Nord’’, basically NATO in French.
 

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