Live Conflict Pakistan-India Tensions
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I think it is logical to de-escalate the situation. It is crystal clear that Pakistan is well prepared for this. IMHO, India tried to get the upper hand before Pakistan receives J-35s in 2026, hoping RAFALEs and SU-30MKIs will have the upper hand and force Pakistan into some kind of a deal. This is not the case, and I think this might turn into a situation where you bet more money to win back the money you lose and lose even more. If things get out of hand, without air superiority, drones will reign supreme, and Pakistan might launch military ops inside Indian controlled Kashmir with the help of its combat drone fleet.
Depends on if Pakistan is willing to let direct strikes into Pakistani territory be answered with these aircraft shootdowns or if they launch counterstrikes into Indian territory, to which India would need to respond in kind.
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On the contrary. If it escalate it will likely be bad for Pakistan. Let me explain it in some details later.
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A lesson is in order on what "flag flying in the wind direction" means.
Just trying to employ some common sense. If everyone did that, we'd be golden. Can't have nice shit though.
Similar populations, they had to give a response soon. If Pakistanis don't retaliate, they'll bury the losses under fakenews and be done with it. Ground strikes were mostly successful after all.
Grasping at straws to come out on top of internet arguments.
As all the wrecks we've been talking about are already found in the Indian side of the border, his initial point is moot.
Drones don't have M88 engines or ejection seats.
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I think that tweet talks only about the RAFALE text, it is highlighted in yellow.
But on that image claimed to be false is literally written RAFALE too. No?
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I'll give my thoughts (deeper ones as to Indian decision making and its severe problems) later on after dust settles more and things are calmer.
As there could be Pakistan retaliations and then any other escalation ladders that has to be waited out first anyway.
Plus Indian ecosystem (political, media etc) gives me a migraine much like Pakistani one gives (fair minded) Pakistanis a migraine on their end too.
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Along with this, let me add something that a distinguished Pakistani gentlemen (Oscar) posted in other forum to get a fairly sensible Pak perspective. (Who knows more then any other Pak folks IMO)
"Because right when they hit it they handed over dossiers claiming all these locations were terrorist hideouts - linking to internationally declared terrorist orgs - and in it claimed they did their best by using small munitions to avoid civilian causalities.
They had additional targets - and as they tried to force in have been brought down in the process. Then they pivoted to thinking of activating cold start but without the ability to push PAF out are nervous about launching their strike corps on just SAM cover.
If you hit them - they will disregard caution and this goes well beyond this and their numbers ensure that they will prevail in places while you hold them in others.
Both sides bleed but they have a lot more sustaining resources than you.
So either you will cave then, or launch nukes - either way the calculus is bad but there is a mix of hawkish egos on both sides along with wanting a face saving withdrawal which everyone including all your allies are pushing."
To simply put, Indian armed forces usually start (I am generalizing) looking a bit disorganized in early responses and initiatives in short lived tactical events. (Like this or the one in 2019) However, in the logn shot as time passes and they get their act together, they utilize their number and resource advantage. @Sanchez @TheInsider
PS: Right now this is looking ominous because Pak seems to be preparing to hit back (hard?)
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It won't de-escalate. Shooting down of IAF planes last night was a defensive measure. It wasn't the retaliation. The retaliation is YET to come.
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French official says Pakistan downed Rafale jet as officials examine possible further losses
From CNN’s Saskya Vandoorne in ParisA high-ranking French intelligence official told CNN today that one Rafale fighter jet operated by the Indian Air Force was downed by Pakistan, in what would mark the first time that one of the sophisticated French-made warplanes has been lost in combat.
Pakistan claimed earlier today to have shot down five Indian Air Force jets in retaliation for Indian strikes, including three Rafales. Indian officials are yet to respond to the claim.
The French official told CNN that French authorities were looking into whether more than one Rafale jets were shot down by Pakistan overnight.
Pictures taken of parts of an aircraft that crashed in Indian-administered Kashmir show the label of a French manufacturer, but experts said it was not possible to say whether the part came from a Rafale aircraft.
Dassault Aviation, the French manufacturer of the jet, has not responded to CNN’s requests for comment.
It is being said that the image on the right is fake, created with AI, because it has the word 'Rafele' written on it.
The Twitter profile is from India, the content looks like a fake post.
