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Tabmachine · May 28, 2025

What do you guys think would the scope for using these Kizilelmas as specialized electronic warfare jets like the Growler?

It will have a smaller engine for one, so it wouldnt have the power generation of a typical modern EW jet. If Baykar is able to work the AI up to sufficient competency, perhaps deploying autonomous Kizilelmas into contested airspaces like the Aegean, as low cost EW nodes?

Fuzuli NL · May 28, 2025

Huelague said:
“Aggressive maneuver” with the untracked wheels?

That indicates that it's the first test of the kind. It's a common practice or protocol to keep the landing gear down during maiden flights and different initial tests of an aircraft mostly for swift recovery if something goes awry. I believe it's mainly to land the aircraft safely in case of a system malfunction.

Fuzuli NL · May 28, 2025

Tabmachine said:
What do you guys think would the scope for using these Kizilelmas as specialized electronic warfare jets like the Growler?

It will have a smaller engine for one, so it wouldnt have the power generation of a typical modern EW jet. If Baykar is able to work the AI up to sufficient competency, perhaps deploying autonomous Kizilelmas into contested airspaces like the Aegean, as low cost EW nodes?

I think a naval Hürjet would be an ideal platform for that.

mTT · May 30, 2025

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928502852760252677

Oublious · May 30, 2025

mTT said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928502852760252677

I have a feeling that we are going to sell this to EU countries.....

fushkee · May 30, 2025

Maybe, firstly to South Korea.

TR_123456 · May 30, 2025

fushkee said:
Maybe, firstly to South Korea.

Why would SK want to buy the TB-3?

Merzifonlu · May 30, 2025

I have no proof and this is all my own feeling. I feel that the South Koreans, just like the Germans, will feel ashamed when they buy anything other than ammunition from Türkiye.

So I think that South Korea will not buy a sophisticated weapons system from Türkiye unless it is absolutely necessary.

Luwian · May 30, 2025

Merzifonlu said:
So I think that South Korea will not buy a sophisticated weapons system from Türkiye unless it is absolutely necessary.

...they may not be sophisticated weapons, but they have acquired highly advanced flight simulators.

Havelsan exported flight simulators to South Korea in the 2000s and later other Turkish manufacturers as well:

https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/turkiye-ilk-kez-simulator-ihrac-etti-3927362

https://www.defenceturkey.com/tr/ic...kore-ye-yara-savunma-simulatoru-ihracati-2590

https://www.savunmasanayist.com/guney-korenin-savas-ucagi-simulatorune-quantum3d-imzasi/

Huelague · May 30, 2025

Fuzuli NL said:
That indicates that it's the first test of the kind. It's a common practice or protocol to keep the landing gear down during maiden flights and different initial tests of an aircraft mostly for swift recovery if something goes awry. I believe it's mainly to land the aircraft safely in case of a system malfunction.

Right. But during an „aggressive maneuver“, I didn’t knew it, that was a common practice.

Yasar_TR · May 31, 2025

India and Pakistan are Sending Turkish and Israeli Drones to War

Both India and Pakistan are armed to the teeth with a variety of lethal drones, including the Harop and TB2.

nationalinterest.org

Turkish TB2 and Aknci drones were present in Pakistan-India war recently.
A lot of bad publicity is coming from Indian generated media about them.
But are there any impartial evaluation about how they performed and if their performance were substandard as claimed, were there any reasons why?

We all know that in airspaces where there are highly efficient AD systems, these drones are useless. They are also no good against interceptor fighter jets. (You can’t send boys to do a man’s job).

In airspaces like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and Karabagh where the airspace is void of modern AD and the area in question is within LOS, these type of drones perform well. But when it comes to longer distances and satellite communication is needed and there are no EW to help them out they become vulnerable.

They are not Swiss Knives that can be used everywhere.
Any further insight?

mTT · May 31, 2025

BAYRAKTAR TB3 Test Flight Program
Comprehensive Test Results and Performance Data (2023–2025)
This table has been created based on official statements.
Last updated: 05/30/2025

TheInsider · May 31, 2025

Yasar_TR said:
India and Pakistan are Sending Turkish and Israeli Drones to War

Both India and Pakistan are armed to the teeth with a variety of lethal drones, including the Harop and TB2.

nationalinterest.org

Turkish TB2 and Aknci drones were present in Pakistan-India war recently.
A lot of bad publicity is coming from Indian generated media about them.
But are there any impartial evaluation about how they performed and if their performance were substandard as claimed, were there any reasons why?

We all know that in airspaces where there are highly efficient AD systems, these drones are useless. They are also no good against interceptor fighter jets. (You can’t send boys to do a man’s job).

In airspaces like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and Karabagh where the airspace is void of modern AD and the area in question is within LOS, these type of drones perform well. But when it comes to longer distances and satellite communication is needed and there are no EW to help them out they become vulnerable.

They are not Swiss Knives that can be used everywhere.
Any further insight?

Who cares what the Indian press says? They are the least reliable source of information.

No Name · May 31, 2025

Yasar_TR said:
India and Pakistan are Sending Turkish and Israeli Drones to War

Both India and Pakistan are armed to the teeth with a variety of lethal drones, including the Harop and TB2.

nationalinterest.org

Turkish TB2 and Aknci drones were present in Pakistan-India war recently.
A lot of bad publicity is coming from Indian generated media about them.
But are there any impartial evaluation about how they performed and if their performance were substandard as claimed, were there any reasons why?

We all know that in airspaces where there are highly efficient AD systems, these drones are useless. They are also no good against interceptor fighter jets. (You can’t send boys to do a man’s job).

In airspaces like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and Karabagh where the airspace is void of modern AD and the area in question is within LOS, these type of drones perform well. But when it comes to longer distances and satellite communication is needed and there are no EW to help them out they become vulnerable.

They are not Swiss Knives that can be used everywhere.
Any further insight?

India has a lot of annoying people and they are making bullshit propaganda along side the pro-Israel American neo-cons like Michael Rubin to degrade Turkey's reputation as an arms seller.

Neither TB2 nor Akinci were shot down or lost in any way; the only Turkish drones that seem to have taken part in the operation are the YIHA-III and the Asisguard Sogar drones.

This article, written by a former pilot of the Indian Air Force for Eurasian Times, claims that Pakistan launched between 400 and 500 drones in a coordinated reconnaissance and SIGINT operation, designed to trigger Indian air defence systems into activating radars and launching interceptors. This allowed Pakistani planners to map Indian AD assets and gather critical electromagnetic data.

This seems to hint at the fact that they were expecting the attack to fail, but I'm not entirely sure about that personally, since 400 to 500 drones is a large number, and at least three to four YIHA-III had gone crash-landed before entering Indian territory.

The early reports indicate that most drones were likely Sogar drones rather than YIHA-III, and I'm unsure if the Sogar was ever developed for the intended use that Pakistan had in mind.

I'm more concerned about India's media's claim that they killed two Turkish citizens during the operation. Still, I can't find anything about the topic in Turkish or international news coverage, just stupid Indian media that doesn't give a source and always claims that Pakistan is hiding the truth.

Can someone find any information on the Turkish citizens, or is it just more propaganda?

TheInsider · May 31, 2025

YIHA-III is an extremely cheap drone. It is basically a pipe with wings, and it has the cheapest pipe, wing, and propeller you can get. I wouldn't be surprised if unit price is something like 5k USD.

GoatsMilk · May 31, 2025

No Name said:
Can someone find any information on the Turkish citizens, or is it just more propaganda?

First time I've heard of such a thing.

No Name · May 31, 2025

GoatsMilk said:
First time I've heard of such a thing.

This article claims that the Turks were the ones who planned out everything, and it was the Turks who were operating the drones.

I think this was the original source of the claim. Still, the person who wrote it seems does article seems to be on crazy levels of delusional since they claim that the only reason that Turkey can produce drones on mass scale is because of its trade with India.

IC3M@N FX · Jun 1, 2025

Turkey is not obliged to support India – especially not as long as the Indian government pursues a policy that has shown increasing hostility toward Muslims for years, even toward very moderate believers within the country.

In the current conflict, it must be said in all honesty that the responsibility does not lie solely with India – Pakistan also bears some responsibility. However, the escalation of the situation clearly originated with the Indian government, whose domestic and foreign policy is characterized by a confrontational attitude. The reactions to this must be viewed against this background.

India describes itself as the world's largest democracy. At the same time, a caste system persists there that systematically discriminates against many people, in some cases in ways that can be perceived as inhumane and racist. This social reality contradicts the fundamental values of a liberal democracy in many respects.
It's a flaw in the system, and when a society treats its own people badly, you can't expect it to treat others any better.

While Western countries such as France, the US, and Russia equip India with modern military technology and weapons, any support for Pakistan by Turkey is criticized. This one-sided view reveals a clear double standard. Ultimately, all these decisions – whether in Washington, New Delhi, or Ankara – are a matter of sober interest politics. Those who engage in conflicts must expect to face the consequences and cannot complain about backlashes afterwards.

Furthermore, it is important to emphasize that India is itself arming Armenia and entering into strategic cooperation with Greece and Israel—all countries whose positions often run counter to Turkish interests. These developments are not new, but part of a long-term geopolitical orientation.

GoatsMilk · Jun 1, 2025

No Name said:
This article claims that the Turks were the ones who planned out everything, and it was the Turks who were operating the drones.

I think this was the original source of the claim. Still, the person who wrote it seems does article seems to be on crazy levels of delusional since they claim that the only reason that Turkey can produce drones on mass scale is because of its trade with India.

The alliance and support of Pakistan is pretty old, in general Turkiye sees two "constant" allies Azerbaijan and Pakistan. Honestly its no surprise that Turkiye supports Pakistan, i think the only thing that changed recently was Erdogans open hostility towards India.

In general Turkiye always sided with Pakistan but i don't ever remember Turkish politicians shit talking India on the national stage constantly. I always felt this war wrong and truth be told i would prefer Turkiye to have moved in a way that could have bridged india and pakistan together. Because when we see the "large blocs" forming in the world, for example US, EU, China, a potentially larger Russia, the only block i felt Turkiye could have genuine relations with was the Pakistan, India, Bangladesh triangle.

As for involvement with Pakistan, probably to varying degrees. After America, Turkiye probably is involved in more conflicts on earth then any other nation on earth.

Oh yeah, in the early days of the Ukrainian war you could find footage where it shows Ukrainian operators striking a russian target, then you can hear Turkish insults being thrown. Implying that Turkish operators were in that room. There was also footage where you got Ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield, a guy is filming his squad and he turns to another soldier he goes to throw up the "grey wolf salute" then he catches himself and drops it moving away from the camera. You can find these sorts of footages from the first few weeks of that conflict. The idea that the Turkish military from day one would be embedded in Ukraine would not surprise me. Ukraine is a good friend and ally, but they are not considered brothers like Pakistan. It stands to reason that in a conflict Turkish soldiers would be present in some capacity on the side of Pakistan.

I_Love_F16 · Jun 1, 2025

GoatsMilk said:
Ukraine is a good friend and ally, but they are not considered brothers like Pakistan. It stands to reason that in a conflict Turkish soldiers would be present in some capacity on the side of Pakistan.

If true this means that we are actually taking part in the conflict, at least indirectly, which is not good. This will bite us in the future one day.

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