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At least it seems like we're kinda not putting all eggs in one basket this time.
There might be new F16, maybe Eurofighters maybe even F35 or a combination of all three.
Hope we dont mess it up this time, because we a huge gap to bridge.
 

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Here we have the participants for Anatolian Eagle 25. 10 regional countries, good start. It'll be an F-16 and Eurofighter fest with hopefully Hungarian Gripens?

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Here we have the participants for Anatolian Eagle 25. 10 regional countries, good start. It'll be an F-16 and Eurofighter fest with hopefully Hungarian Gripens?

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Why does Indonesia not participate?
I hope they will come to the next one.
 

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Here we have the participants for Anatolian Eagle 25. 10 regional countries, good start. It'll be an F-16 and Eurofighter fest with hopefully Hungarian Gripens?

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The United States, Azerbaijan, Qatar, Hungary, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan;

Observers:
Bulgaria, Brazil, Malaysia, Mali, Nigeria;

 
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The United States, Azerbaijan, Qatar, Hungary, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan;

Observers:
Bulgaria, Brazil, Malaysia, Mali, Nigeria;

That leaves out UAE, Pakistan and Oman. I really doubt Pakistan is not an active participant so their reporting must be wrong. or outdated.

Why does Indonesia not participate?
I hope they will come to the next one.
They don't have tankers, as far as I see, they usually join the regional exercises, maybe in the future.
 

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That leaves out UAE, Pakistan and Oman. I really doubt Pakistan is not an active participant so their reporting must be wrong. or outdated.

These are the countries listed in the official statement. Pakistan released a patch for tracking purposes. There were rumors that it might not be subject to tracking due to the ongoing conflict with India.


Edit : We saw some countries participating in the International Anatolian Phoenix-2025 Exercise last month that were not mentioned in the official press release.
 
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Disagree on tweet. First, first Özgürs are already now in active use with units. Second, Daggers are based in Konya, so that's her home base.

At the background, Qatari Eurofighters are already deployed for AE25.
AE25 = Anatolian Eagle 25 ?

I recommend you read the tweet again.
 

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President Erdoğan to discuss F-35 purchase with Trump

President Erdoğan will meet with Trump on the sidelines of the NATO summit.

According to Bloomberg, Turkey wants to purchase a total of 40 F-35 and 40 F-16 fighter jets.

An assurance proposal regarding the S-400 system will be offered.

A supply permit for F110 & F404 engines will be requested.



So we want, 40 F35s, 40 Eurofighter and 40 F16s. What is it with this number? Also we learn that they won't even supply the F404s for Hürjet. That's worrisome considering we have no local solution to them for the next 10 years or so.
 

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Also we learn that they won't even supply the F404s for Hürjet.

Now, about the engine. Any developments on the F110 for Kaan or F404 for Hürjet? Especially since things warmed up with the US after Trump returned.
We’ve had applications in for a while both for the F110 and F404. They’re currently in the US Congress phase. I visited the US last month to discuss this, and none of the officials foresee major issues. As you said, with Trump’s return and improving US-Turkey ties, the outlook is positive. Especially for the F404 being a trainer engine, restrictions are lighter than for fighter engines. The process might take time due to administrative reshuffling, but we hope for good news in a few months. We’re continuing as if approval is certain.

"We expect good news about HÜRJET's engine any day now."

So they are still waiting, interesting.
 

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Erdogan to Seek Support From Merz for Eurofighter Sale to Turkey​

"Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan plans to seek support from German Chancellor Friedrich Merz for the sale of Eurofighter jets to Turkey at talks on the sidelines of the NATO summit."


Erdoğan is planning to lobby both Merz and Trump for respective aircraft programs on NATO summit. Those sideline talks take 1 hour at most and first 20 minutes are about courtesies.

Gives you a clue on how fucked we are and about the urgency. I don't expect much.
 

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President Erdoğan to discuss F-35 purchase with Trump

President Erdoğan will meet with Trump on the sidelines of the NATO summit.

According to Bloomberg, Turkey wants to purchase a total of 40 F-35 and 40 F-16 fighter jets.

An assurance proposal regarding the S-400 system will be offered.

A supply permit for F110 & F404 engines will be requested.



So we want, 40 F35s, 40 Eurofighter and 40 F16s. What is it with this number? Also we learn that they won't even supply the F404s for Hürjet. That's worrisome considering we have no local solution to them for the next 10 years or so.

80 F-35s and 40 Eurofighters would be a much better purchase, F-35s to clear up AD systems and Eurofighters to act as bomb/missile trucks
 

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80 F-35s and 40 Eurofighters would be a much better purchase, F-35s to clear up AD systems and Eurofighters to act as bomb/missile trucks
I legit fear that they won't even give us the damn engines and you're saying we'd be better off buying 80 F35s instead of 40.
 

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I legit fear that they won't even give us the damn engines and you're saying we'd be better off buying 80 F35s instead of 40.

if they are not gonna give engines, then I don't there will be a deal for 80 US fighters to begin with
 

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Then there will be other possibilities to get engines elsewhere as an interim solution, you act as if there are no more alternatives on the market.
The Shenyang WS-10 Block C or D, for example has FADEC (this is based on the CFM56 engine which is essentially the core of the F101/F-110 family) it comes quite close to the F-110 in terms of performance and durability parameters, or even slightly above it, while at the same time it is only slightly longer than the F-110, the weight and diameter are about the same.
The Chinese would probably even offer a technology transfer, and quickly deliver e.g. 80 engines.
Just to drive a wedge within NATO that they distrust Turkey, which they have always done, see the sanctions and embargoes in the past by the US & EU.

To be clear, the US & EU are not friends and never will be.
If they could and if the damage to themselves was not so great, they would have wanted to break up Turkey in several pieces long ago. Only the massive fear and absolute resistance keeps them from doing so.
 
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Then there will be other possibilities to get engines elsewhere as an interim solution, you act as if there are no more alternatives on the market.
The Shenyang WS-10 Block C or D, for example has FADEC (this is based on the CFM56 engine which is essentially the core of the F101/F-110 family) it comes quite close to the F-110 in terms of performance and durability parameters, or even slightly above it, while at the same time it is only slightly longer than the F-110, the weight and diameter are about the same.
The Chinese would probably even offer a technology transfer, and quickly deliver e.g. 80 engines.
Just to drive a wedge within NATO that they distrust Turkey, which they have always done, see the sanctions and embargoes in the past by the US & EU.

To be clear, the US & EU are not friends and never will be.
If they could and if the damage to themselves was not so great, they would have wanted to break up Turkey in several pieces long ago. Only the massive fear and absolute resistance keeps them from doing so.

Would our procurement of engines from China be supported by the United States, or would it provoke a reaction from Trump?
 

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The motor question is essentially a key action.

The US/Israel do not want to deliver, because this would promote Turkey's independence even more. They do not want to strengthen Turkey. However, they are in a dilemma because they are in a bind.

The US also does not want Turkey to manufacture its own technologies, but this path is already so irreversible that it cannot be reversed.
At present, Turkey is 83-85% independent in terms of armaments.
The US/Israel knows that any pressure will only accelerate the program further.

They also do not want Turkey to obtain technology from China, because Turkey would get 100% of it, including technology transfer, even in space, hypersonic technologies, and semiconductors.
This is a nightmare for the US/Israel because they are aware that they are in a quandary. They are playing for time, saying neither yes nor no to the F-16, F-110 engine, and F-35, and are delaying and waiting for a favorable opportunity to exert pressure.
Turkey deliberately keeps bringing up this issue to exert pressure; they want to push for a decision, as with the S-400 deal.

This is because Turkey is well aware of the strategic maneuvering of the US/Israel and is continuing to push for technological independence, obtaining technology transfers from the EU (Spain, Italy), the UK, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan (actually China).
Turkey has deliberately established cooperation with southern European countries, which are also under US influence, but not nearly as much as western European countries. Furthermore, the Israeli lobby has no influence in Spain and Italy, and there is little to no diaspora in South Europe and South Korea.
 
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