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Selling anything to us that we can use to create good things is...
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Re Hürjet, possible future interest of Japan to replace their aging T-4s. Looks like TAI also offered Hürkuş back in 2024. Japan had selected the T-6 Texan instead.
"...In fact, TAI also has its sights set on Japan. I asked a TUSAŞ representative whether they intended to propose the T-4 trainer as a successor to the Japan Air Self-Defense Force, and they replied, "We haven't made a decision yet, but we have a strong interest."
About 10 years ago, they probably asked that as a polite formality, knowing that I was Japanese. However, in 2024, TAI proposed a training system centered on their turboprop trainer "Hürks" for the competition to select the T-7 primary trainer aircraft for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force.
Furthermore, on May 6, 2026, Japan and Turkey exchanged a document confirming their commitment to accelerating cooperation in the field of defense equipment between the two countries, thus strengthening defense cooperation between Japan and Turkey compared to 2024.
I've heard that TAI was perplexed by Japan's unique defense equipment procurement situation during the competition for the successor to the T-7 trainer aircraft. However, if they propose the Hulje (SAETA II) this time, it's expected that they'll have the strong support of Airbus. Perhaps the Hulje (SAETA II) could become a dark horse for the T-4 successor..."
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A dark horse to succeed the JASDF T-4? What is this "supersonic" trainer aircraft that could break the South Korean dominance? Manufacturers "have a strong interest in Japan," and Airbus is also cooperating.
"...In fact, TAI also has its sights set on Japan. I asked a TUSAŞ representative whether they intended to propose the T-4 trainer as a successor to the Japan Air Self-Defense Force, and they replied, "We haven't made a decision yet, but we have a strong interest."
About 10 years ago, they probably asked that as a polite formality, knowing that I was Japanese. However, in 2024, TAI proposed a training system centered on their turboprop trainer "Hürks" for the competition to select the T-7 primary trainer aircraft for the Japan Air Self-Defense Force.
Furthermore, on May 6, 2026, Japan and Turkey exchanged a document confirming their commitment to accelerating cooperation in the field of defense equipment between the two countries, thus strengthening defense cooperation between Japan and Turkey compared to 2024.
I've heard that TAI was perplexed by Japan's unique defense equipment procurement situation during the competition for the successor to the T-7 trainer aircraft. However, if they propose the Hulje (SAETA II) this time, it's expected that they'll have the strong support of Airbus. Perhaps the Hulje (SAETA II) could become a dark horse for the T-4 successor..."
空自T-4後継のダークホース？ 韓国製の独壇場を崩す“超音速”練習機とは？ メーカー「日本に強い関心」エアバスも協力（1/2 ページ） | 乗りものニュース
トルコの航空機メーカーが開発中の超音速練習/軽戦闘機「ヒュルジェ」。2026年4月に開催された防衛総合イベントで実大模型が展示されましたが、実は日本の航空自衛隊の次期練習機候補としても関心が持たれています。（1/2 ページ）
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Unlikely they will buy T7 no matter what
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Nope, most probably just a flyby. This is not even Hürjet's first formation flight with Stars. First was in 2024.
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UK Launches Jet Trainer Tender
"The UK Defense Ministry issued a request for information (RFI) to industry on Aug. 8 for the Jet Training System (JTS), launching market engagement for the program...JTS aims to replace the Hawk T1s flown by the Red Arrows aerobatic team and the more modern Hawk T2s currently used for advanced jet training...
The program calls for a “significant UK workshare” in the procurement. The UK Defense Investment Plan set aside funding worth £360 million ($485 million) over the next four years to kick-start the program, with Minister for Defense Procurement Luke Pollard suggesting in July the program could be enabled by funding from the private sector...
Some airframers have already declared interest in the program. BAE Systems is proposing the Boeing/Saab T-7 Red Hawk platform. Leonardo plans to offer the Blk. 20 model M-346, but does not yet have a UK partner for the program...
Formal requirements and numbers of aircraft for the program are yet to be revealed...
Submissions for the RFI are expected by Sept. 11."
UK Launches Jet Trainer Tender | Aviation Week
The UK has launched a long-awaited tender to replace the BAE Systems Hawks jet trainers used for advanced training and by the Red Arrows aerobatic team.
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It's unclear if Airbus will have a joint bid with TAI to offer Hürjet. BAE already teamed with Boeing/Saab to offer T-7 and Leonardo do have few relationships with UK companies they can use to offer M346. Sadly chances for Hürjet winning this is very low, but not zero.
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UK Launches Jet Trainer Tender
"The UK Defense Ministry issued a request for information (RFI) to industry on Aug. 8 for the Jet Training System (JTS), launching market engagement for the program...
JTS aims to replace the Hawk T1s flown by the Red Arrows aerobatic team and the more modern Hawk T2s currently used for advanced jet training...
The program calls for a “significant UK workshare” in the procurement. The UK Defense Investment Plan set aside funding worth £360 million ($485 million) over the next four years to kick-start the program, with Minister for Defense Procurement Luke Pollard suggesting in July the program could be enabled by funding from the private sector...
Some airframers have already declared interest in the program. BAE Systems is proposing the Boeing/Saab T-7 Red Hawk platform. Leonardo plans to offer the Blk. 20 model M-346, but does not yet have a UK partner for the program...
Formal requirements and numbers of aircraft for the program are yet to be revealed...
Submissions for the RFI are expected by Sept. 11."
UK Launches Jet Trainer Tender | Aviation Week
The UK has launched a long-awaited tender to replace the BAE Systems Hawks jet trainers used for advanced training and by the Red Arrows aerobatic team.
It's unclear if Airbus will have a joint bid with TAI to offer Hürjet. BAE already teamed with Boeing/Saab to offer T-7 and Leonardo do have few relationships with UK companies they can use to offer M346. Sadly chances for Hürjet winning this is very low, but not zero.
Would have been great if we proposed Hurjet.
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If Hürjet had made the same tests with Unmanned vehicles like Leonardo, we'd stand much better at succeeding in getting the British to buy it. Not to mention if we had a EJ200 version as well.
Something tells me that Leonardo might have known about the UK trainer jet prior and took steps to up the M-346 attractiveness and potential.
Something tells me that Leonardo might have known about the UK trainer jet prior and took steps to up the M-346 attractiveness and potential.
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Hurjet already controlled Anka-3 during flight. Anka-3 even dropped munitions while being controlled by Hurjet AFAIK
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The Brits will choose the T-7 even if it scores badly in tests. I said this years ago when people were dreaming of selling Hürjet to the Brits.UK Launches Jet Trainer Tender
"The UK Defense Ministry issued a request for information (RFI) to industry on Aug. 8 for the Jet Training System (JTS), launching market engagement for the program...
JTS aims to replace the Hawk T1s flown by the Red Arrows aerobatic team and the more modern Hawk T2s currently used for advanced jet training...
The program calls for a “significant UK workshare” in the procurement. The UK Defense Investment Plan set aside funding worth £360 million ($485 million) over the next four years to kick-start the program, with Minister for Defense Procurement Luke Pollard suggesting in July the program could be enabled by funding from the private sector...
Some airframers have already declared interest in the program. BAE Systems is proposing the Boeing/Saab T-7 Red Hawk platform. Leonardo plans to offer the Blk. 20 model M-346, but does not yet have a UK partner for the program...
Formal requirements and numbers of aircraft for the program are yet to be revealed...
Submissions for the RFI are expected by Sept. 11."
UK Launches Jet Trainer Tender | Aviation Week
The UK has launched a long-awaited tender to replace the BAE Systems Hawks jet trainers used for advanced training and by the Red Arrows aerobatic team.
It's unclear if Airbus will have a joint bid with TAI to offer Hürjet. BAE already teamed with Boeing/Saab to offer T-7 and Leonardo do have few relationships with UK companies they can use to offer M346. Sadly chances for Hürjet winning this is very low, but not zero.
They will take the T-7, the project will turn into delays and delays as the T-7 is, as most Boeing projects nowadays, plagued with problems and in 4-5 years when the first T-7 are still not FOC in the UK the first article about the disaster of a programm it has become will be printed mentioning the M346 and Hürjet as two option who were not chosen but are in use without any problems.
Story of british procurement for the last 2 decades.
Don't know what the charade here is for. Everbody in the know knows the T-7 has already been chosen.
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It doesn’t, after all, depend on the success or failure of the Hürjet programme with British or European buyers. The Target Markets for the Hürjet Trainer and the LCA are Africa, the Middle East, Turkish Staates, Asia and perhaps South America as well.
However, this would mean phasing out the F-404 in the long term, either by developing an engine with 20,000–22, 000 lbf by 2036/37, or tune two TEI TF 10000 engines to 8,000 lbf dry thrust and 12,000 lbf wet thrust – this would require the development of a new Airframe, which is far more complex. They should have opted for 2x AI322F from the outset and replaced these with 2x TF-10000 from 2029/30 onwards.
In my opinion, it was a strategic Mistake.
However, this would mean phasing out the F-404 in the long term, either by developing an engine with 20,000–22, 000 lbf by 2036/37, or tune two TEI TF 10000 engines to 8,000 lbf dry thrust and 12,000 lbf wet thrust – this would require the development of a new Airframe, which is far more complex. They should have opted for 2x AI322F from the outset and replaced these with 2x TF-10000 from 2029/30 onwards.
In my opinion, it was a strategic Mistake.
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I agree that we should definitely put an offer to UK either via Airbus Spain or direct to UK even if it serves only to put the cat among the pigeons.
It is a shame that BAE Systems have chosen to ally themselves with Boeing Saab for the UK trainer tender. UK want to be in control of the production of the planes. The only company that can effectively do it in the UK is BAE Systems.
Saab Boeing T7 is a subsonic plane. (Transonic at best)
Hurjet is a supersonic jet.
But for training and acrobatics, supersonic speed is not really needed. In fact it may prove to be a hindrance.
So the plane would fly predominantly in subsonic domain. But having supersonic capability would give the plane more raw power and vertical climb capability with very high speed sweeping arcs. (It is illegal to go supersonic in public shows due to supersonic boom)
The reason Turkiye went for a Supersonic jet trainer rather than a subsonic one was to bridge the massive performance gap for pilots transitioning to high-speed frontline jets like the F-16 and fifth-generation KAAN, while also gaining a dual-role, cost-effective light combat aircraft and an export asset.
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I suppose the tables would have turned if we could have accelerated the Hürjet program and introduce the Naval trainer version.
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Its a trainer.
Bro,,what is it with you and Ukrainian/Russian engines?
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Had we developed a naval trainer version too, even US may have shown an interest.
But for Hurjet proper as it is we have been comparatively slow in developing it. Albeit not being an urgent case like Kaan and being totally financed by Tusas resources, it was a slow growing project. But to date we still have only 2 working prototypes of this jet. Yet in two years we are due to start deliveries to Spain and our airforce. All the responsibility of necessary tests are on the shoulders of these two planes.
I know that Tusas is really pushing forward with the Kaan project. Hence much of its resources have been allocated to Kaan, and Hurjet may suffer because of it. Let us hope, that does not have an impact on the timeline of Hurjet production.
Many may see that a naval Hurjet is the poor man’s carrier fighter jet. But future air warfare is evolving in to one where UCAVs will become the dominant implements of an air fighter force. Manned aircrafts will be the back seater drivers. Since our carrier will have KE and Anka-3 stealth drones as it’s main attack force too, it is only feasible to assume that we will use these UCAVs with manned Naval Hurjets. So we won’t need a big naval jet fighter like that is the norm now. But a capable two seater Naval Hurjet.
The quicker we develop a Naval Hurjet the more chance we will have for it to be sought after by many Naval forces including ours.
A naval Hurjet will be so well built that it could be used to take off from and land on to secluded highways.
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