Pokemonte13
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Iran War have you heard about it????
- Russia Robotic tracked platform "Impulse-M"
- Terma enters into collaboration with German defense company
- Defence Q&A I am looking to get a copy of the US Army Basic Manual of Design that is given out to Marines as well. Its a forms manual.
- EU leaders to converge on harder line toward China
- Zionism - Antisemitism?
Moreso pilot training I imagine
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There were some recent talks about Omanese EFs being almost ready to be delivered. About that.. 
"Trump says the US will "blow up" Oman if it doesn't behave."
"Trump says the US will "blow up" Oman if it doesn't behave."
So what?
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Well, Oman and Qatar might need the planes to defend their countries???
Even when this story started, I was worried about the possibility that the planes from those countries won't arrive very soon
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We are also one of those 10, apparently by the wording.
What a difference a year makes - after every eurofighter partner operator told me in 2025 that they had no plans to fit APKWS for counter-drone, BAESystemsAir tells JanesINTEL and others at Warton today that there is now strong interest from all 10 partner and export customers, following recent successful RoyalAirForce fielding. "It is a fantastic capability!"
What a difference a year makes - after every eurofighter partner operator told me in 2025 that they had no plans to fit APKWS for counter-drone, BAESystemsAir tells JanesINTEL and others at Warton today that there is now strong interest from all 10 partner and export customers, following recent successful RoyalAirForce fielding. "It is a fantastic capability!"
Pokemonte13
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Nice to have but for us that would be money wasting if its intended use would be against Drones.
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Well we currently we use F-16s with AIM-9s or even AIM-120s so..
Pokemonte13
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couldn't we integrate cirit on them with özgür
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Bro have you checked how much a 70mm hydra class missile is in UK? Plus how much UK is going to charge you for that missile? Plus they buy the missiles from US. UK MOD paid over40000 dollars a piece for them 3 years ago (31.2 million dollars for 768 missiles)
Our Cirit costs 19000 dollars. The money spent stays in the country. It can do the same job. (10000 pieces sold to UAE for 190 million dollars)
These prices may vary depending on customers they are sold to, and the quantity of the sale -economies of scale-. But it has to be remembered that the Cirit in unguided form is under 2 thousand dollars. If we are manufacturing it the cost of it to our airforce is going to be substantially lower.
US approves $31.2m APKWS-II rocket sale to Britain
The US Government has greenlit a potential Foreign Military Sale of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System-II (APKWS-II) to the United Kingdom, with an estimated value of $31.2 million.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
Turkey delivers first huge batch of Cirit missiles to UAE
ABU DHABI — The United Arab Emirates last year chose to purchase anti-aircraft Turkish Cirit missiles and last week Turkish weapons manufacturer Roketsan...
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Two points.Bro have you checked how much a 70mm hydra class missile is in UK? Plus how much UK is going to charge you for that missile? Plus they buy the missiles from US. UK MOD paid over40000 dollars a piece for them 3 years ago (31.2 million dollars for 768 missiles)
Our Cirit costs 19000 dollars. The money spent stays in the country. It can do the same job. (10000 pieces sold to UAE for 190 million dollars)
US approves $31.2m APKWS-II rocket sale to Britain
The US Government has greenlit a potential Foreign Military Sale of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System-II (APKWS-II) to the United Kingdom, with an estimated value of $31.2 million.
Turkey delivers first huge batch of Cirit missiles to UAE
ABU DHABI — The United Arab Emirates last year chose to purchase anti-aircraft Turkish Cirit missiles and last week Turkish weapons manufacturer Roketsan...www.dailysabah.com
Cirit needs a bit more work for modification, although it is entirely doable. But unlike APKWS, Cirit is canistered; would require a different launcher design.
Re the Cirit sales figure, I think that's from the 2013 sale. You should think about the inflation as well. USD lost like 40% of its value since then. Old prices pre 2020 don't mean anything anymore.
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You are correct re prices. That is why I edited my post. But nevertheless if we are able to integrate Cirit on to F16s, the cost to us, should be substantially lower than the current quoted Cirit price to foreign customers. Currently It is estimated to be around 25000 dollars a piece.
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Do correct me if I remember wrong but Cirit I believe is also based on the older FFAR; not Hydra-70. Regardless in its current form an F-16 can realistically only carry 8 Cirits at most without extensive modification. And we are low on fighters anyhow so this kind of duty should really be relegated to drones.
Regardless, the 10 number was interesting to me re EF and APKWS. I'd think any weapons package for EF could include some 100+ APKWS; which the US would be happy with as well.
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While the price they'd charge us would be high. I believe that TurAF will want them anyway just because it gives our defense industry the chance to study it and develop a domestic product just as good. It will most likely be a click on-click off solution of sorts so we'll be deciding when and which jets that will have the solution.Bro have you checked how much a 70mm hydra class missile is in UK? Plus how much UK is going to charge you for that missile? Plus they buy the missiles from US. UK MOD paid over40000 dollars a piece for them 3 years ago (31.2 million dollars for 768 missiles)
Our Cirit costs 19000 dollars. The money spent stays in the country. It can do the same job. (10000 pieces sold to UAE for 190 million dollars)
These prices may vary depending on customers they are sold to, and the quantity of the sale -economies of scale-. But it has to be remembered that the Cirit in unguided form is under 2 thousand dollars. If we are manufacturing it the cost of it to our airforce is going to be substantially lower.
US approves $31.2m APKWS-II rocket sale to Britain
The US Government has greenlit a potential Foreign Military Sale of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System-II (APKWS-II) to the United Kingdom, with an estimated value of $31.2 million.
Turkey delivers first huge batch of Cirit missiles to UAE
ABU DHABI — The United Arab Emirates last year chose to purchase anti-aircraft Turkish Cirit missiles and last week Turkish weapons manufacturer Roketsan...
Also if the job can be done using Hürkus, why not let it do the job ?
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If I am not mistaken, the Hydra 70 missiles are built as non-guided. The APKWS2 upgrade adds wings and laser guidance to make it precision strike weapon. Also the LAU release mechanism can accommodate 6, 7 or 19 of them. When EF is set up, it is set to handle the 7 tube launchers for the APKWS-II missiles.
Cirit is built from ground up as a laser guided high precision missile. It is interoperable with the LAU class launchers. They just need data bus to enable them to be used from any air platform. So theoretically the 19 missile pod can be fitted with Cirit.
If we can integrate our other precision strike missiles to f16s, integrating Cirit should be a doddle.
My logic is the same as @Saithan. Hurkus iş the right platform for drone hunting. To put to air a platform that costs 25-40 thousand dollars per hour is wrong economically.
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19x pod is for helicopter use, it's not used with fixed wing aircraft; not in this century anyway. Cirit can probably be used in the standard 70mm launcher, but 20+ years have passed and we have only ever saw Cirit with its own launcher in 2x and 4x; that's it.
I disagree on prop aircraft being used in drone hunting use as it doesn't fit the air force organizationally. For that we either need to create a new squadron for this duty, or we send teacher pilots to these sorties, pulling them from their already high workload day jobs. Drones just make more sense; but I'm aware that main hurdle with anti drone duty is not the shootdown part but actually intercepting the things. They are small and hard to locate on radar if you don't already know where to look for.
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For slow flying drones, Ukraine have been using props and they've done a great job even without proper munition.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Hürkuş is perfect for JÖH. Training pilots for Hürkuş would take significantly less time and resources than training them for a jet fighter and we now have enough low weight but long range munition option to help in operations from safe distances. Whether it is UAV-230, Eren, Umtas-GM, Roketsan's new mini cruise missile or Tolun with Sadak 2-T, all of it would help significantly in operations while keeping the plane out of harms way. And in case of a drone attacks, they could easily shoot them down and would be far more cost effective.
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Right. According to its publicly known specs, Hürkuş not only seems capable at low altitudes but also seems like a potent medium UAV hunter/interceptor.
