TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

MonteCarlo · Jul 10, 2026

IC3M@N FX said:
I thought TEI was capable of manufacturing at least 60–70% of the engine domestically and assembling it in full under licence.
I hope they have pushed ahead with some licensed production here at home.

From what Arda mevlütoğlu said in Kaner Kurt's video. The engines will be produced by GE, we are not looking for licensed production. I don't remember the exact timestamp because it has been a while

mTT · Jul 10, 2026

Saithan said:
I am looking forward to seeing how this is going to be handled.

Considering TEI has experience assembling there could be a division of work, so we assemble half in Türkiye.

Let's see.

If the decision were entirely up to TEI, I don't think they would accept it. Rather than dealing with new production planning, they would likely prefer to focus on their own products.

alfonsvlora · Jul 10, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-f110-jet-engine-sale-to-turkiye-to-proceed-as-congress-does-not-block-move/3994017

As stated in this news piece, since the US Congress has not blocked the deal for the purchase of around 80 F110 engines for KAAN’s Block 10 & 20 production runs in the allotted 15 day period, the 736 million dollar deal has gone through.
But there are more hurdles to overcome now:

In the next phase, technical and commercial negotiations concerning the procurement of the F110 engines will continue between the US administration, the relevant government agencies, the engine manufacturer, and the appropriate Turkish authorities. Future discussions are expected to focus on the delivery schedule, engine integration, testing, and certification activities.

So now the question stands as : will these engines be delivered on time?

There will be obstacles, as always! Turkiye is used to them by now. However, I'd like to offer a greeting in Turkish:
"Hadi bakalım – Maşallah!"...

IC3M@N FX · Jul 10, 2026

My only fear is that they will only start delivering the engines from 2030 onwards, and then supply 8–10 engines every 3–4 months – in other words, dragging out the deliveries as much as possible and delaying them further and further, so that we see no positive benefit.
We shouldn’t rely on them; otherwise, we’ll be left. The TEI TF 35000 programme should be pushed forward – even if the first production batch of the engine in 2028/29 has only 600–800 operating hours – in order to significantly increase the pressure from the US to deliver all the engines by 2029/30.
I also hope that they will pay in instalments, i.e. upon delivery. The US has probably get total of 2–3 billion US dollars from us – partly for the F-35s already paid for and partly for the deposit on 40 F-16 Block 70 aircraft plus ammunition. To date, we have received nothing but a hollow handshake with dust....

dBSPL · Jul 10, 2026

IC3M@N FX said:
My only fear is that they will only start delivering the engines from 2030 onwards, and then supply 8–10 engines every 3–4 months – in other words, dragging out the deliveries as much as possible and delaying them further and further, so that we see no positive benefit.
We shouldn’t rely on them; otherwise, we’ll be left. The TEI TF 35000 programme should be pushed forward – even if the first production batch of the engine in 2028/29 has only 600–800 operating hours – in order to significantly increase the pressure from the US to deliver all the engines by 2029/30.
I also hope that they will pay in instalments, i.e. upon delivery. The US has probably get total of 2–3 billion US dollars from us – partly for the F-35s already paid for and partly for the deposit on 40 F-16 Block 70 aircraft plus ammunition. To date, we have received nothing but a hollow handshake with dust....

IMO, In a possible delay scenario, we'll see plenty of footage of T/F-110, err, i mean Güçhan's ("Bring me Mazlum!") igniting sequences.

AlperTunga · Jul 10, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-f110-jet-engine-sale-to-turkiye-to-proceed-as-congress-does-not-block-move/3994017

As stated in this news piece, since the US Congress has not blocked the deal for the purchase of around 80 F110 engines for KAAN’s Block 10 & 20 production runs in the allotted 15 day period, the 736 million dollar deal has gone through.
But there are more hurdles to overcome now:

In the next phase, technical and commercial negotiations concerning the procurement of the F110 engines will continue between the US administration, the relevant government agencies, the engine manufacturer, and the appropriate Turkish authorities. Future discussions are expected to focus on the delivery schedule, engine integration, testing, and certification activities.

So now the question stands as : will these engines be delivered on time?

Just to cool down the forum members and my own excitement on this: The engines will be delivered at the same time our TF35000 has high chances of being installed to KAAN. The reason is simple. Israel rules US and all its companies, private or public does not matter.

Zafer · Jul 10, 2026

When asked MrAkşit said there is still one two years to it. I take it as less than two years to first ignition of the complete engine. That makes mid 2028 the latest. Give it 2 whole years to be mission ready. Once it can fly I believe all efforts will be spent to go to prodıction. The engine can be ready for the fight end of 2030 unless pushed harder.

TheInsider · Jul 10, 2026

Majority of the engines will be delivered between 2028-2032.
Expect a delivery schedule like this
2027 6
2028 12
2029 12
2030 18
2031 18
2032 14

Yasar_TR · Jul 10, 2026

Guys, I know I started the conversation regarding on time deliveries. But no need to argue over it or take the mickey about it.

The whole idea of this F110 engine saga was to do with timely deliveries.
One would think that our officials would get a solid contract with heavy late delivery penalties, ensuring a continuous flow of engine deliveries that would not hinder KAAN delivery schedule.
Otherwise they can stick their engines …..

AlperTunga · Jul 10, 2026

Just a quick reminder that one of the largest shareholders of GE is Blackrock (I assume I don't have to explain further). And regarding the contracts our officials do, lets recall the 1.4bn USD down payment for f16 -V70s we were planning to acquire. This is the type of contracts they do.

Fatman17 · Jul 10, 2026

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075510355103539646

Great news for Turkiye

Pokemonte13 · Jul 11, 2026

AlperTunga said:
Just a quick reminder that one of the largest shareholders of GE is Blackrock (I assume I don't have to explain further). And regarding the contracts our officials do, lets recall the 1.4bn USD down payment for f16 -V70s we were planning to acquire. This is the type of contracts they do.

F16 holdup has to do with negotiations between the two parties money, system rights overall size and not that they don't want to sell it.

zio · Jul 11, 2026

I still do not understand kaan can not have MK84 ammo.

Pokemonte13 · Jul 11, 2026

zio said:
I still do not understand kaan can not have MK84 ammo.

Too large for internal storage

Kaan Azman · Jul 11, 2026

What was LEVENT doıing near KAAN by the way? I guess they wanna go for some alternative WVRAAM that can possibly be double carried per bay.

Pokemonte13 · Jul 11, 2026

Kaan Azman said:
What was LEVENT doıing near KAAN by the way? I guess they wanna go for some alternative WVRAAM that can possibly be double carried per bay.

Ne varsa koy abi mentality

boredaf · Jul 11, 2026

Kaan Azman said:
What was LEVENT doıing near KAAN by the way? I guess they wanna go for some alternative WVRAAM that can possibly be double carried per bay.

It has 11 km range as surface to air, so, it should have around 25-30 km range a2a; could work as an alternative I guess. It's weight, length and diameter is comparable to other short range a2a missiles, using it for both PDMS and a2a could simplify production and logistical footprint as well.

MonteCarlo · Jul 11, 2026

boredaf said:
It has 11 km range as surface to air, so, it should have around 25-30 km range a2a; could work as an alternative I guess. It's weight, length and diameter is comparable to other short range a2a missiles, using it for both PDMS and a2a could simplify production and logistical footprint as well.

But that 11 km range is for an incoming missile, even though air launching would increase its range, NEZ against a fighter jet would be very short since it won't be as agile as dedicated A2A missiles. Could be a good C-UAS option but is that really a job for KAAN?

boredaf · Jul 11, 2026

MonteCarlo said:
But that 11 km range is for an incoming missile, even though air launching would increase its range, NEZ against a fighter jet would be very short since it won't be as agile as dedicated A2A missiles. Could be a good C-UAS option but is that really a job for KAAN?

I wonder how hard it would be to turn a wvraam into a point defence missile for a jet, as engagements are being done from longer and longer ranges, may be the role of shorter range a2a missiles could change.

Pokemonte13 · Jul 11, 2026

boredaf said:
I wonder how hard it would be to turn a wvraam into a point defence missile for a jet, as engagements are being done from longer and longer ranges, may be the role of shorter range a2a missiles could change.

What ?

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