TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Yasar_TR]

Guys, I know I started the conversation regarding on time deliveries. But no need to argue over it or take the mickey about it.

The whole idea of this F110 engine saga was to do with timely deliveries.
One would think that our officials would get a solid contract with heavy late delivery penalties, ensuring a continuous flow of engine deliveries that would not hinder KAAN delivery schedule.
Otherwise they can stick their engines …..

 

[AlperTunga]

Just a quick reminder that one of the largest shareholders of GE is Blackrock (I assume I don't have to explain further). And regarding the contracts our officials do, lets recall the 1.4bn USD down payment for f16 -V70s we were planning to acquire. This is the type of contracts they do.

 

[Fatman17]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075510355103539646

Great news for Turkiye

 

[Pokemonte13]

Just a quick reminder that one of the largest shareholders of GE is Blackrock (I assume I don't have to explain further). And regarding the contracts our officials do, lets recall the 1.4bn USD down payment for f16 -V70s we were planning to acquire. This is the type of contracts they do.

F16 holdup has to do with negotiations between the two parties money, system rights overall size and not that they don't want to sell it.

 

[zio]

I still do not understand kaan can not have MK84 ammo.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I still do not understand kaan can not have MK84 ammo.

Too large for internal storage

 

[Kaan Azman]

What was LEVENT doıing near KAAN by the way? I guess they wanna go for some alternative WVRAAM that can possibly be double carried per bay.

 

[Pokemonte13]

What was LEVENT doıing near KAAN by the way? I guess they wanna go for some alternative WVRAAM that can possibly be double carried per bay.

Ne varsa koy abi mentality

 

[boredaf]

What was LEVENT doıing near KAAN by the way? I guess they wanna go for some alternative WVRAAM that can possibly be double carried per bay.

It has 11 km range as surface to air, so, it should have around 25-30 km range a2a; could work as an alternative I guess. It's weight, length and diameter is comparable to other short range a2a missiles, using it for both PDMS and a2a could simplify production and logistical footprint as well.

 

[MonteCarlo]

It has 11 km range as surface to air, so, it should have around 25-30 km range a2a; could work as an alternative I guess. It's weight, length and diameter is comparable to other short range a2a missiles, using it for both PDMS and a2a could simplify production and logistical footprint as well.

But that 11 km range is for an incoming missile, even though air launching would increase its range, NEZ against a fighter jet would be very short since it won't be as agile as dedicated A2A missiles. Could be a good C-UAS option but is that really a job for KAAN?

 

[boredaf]

But that 11 km range is for an incoming missile, even though air launching would increase its range, NEZ against a fighter jet would be very short since it won't be as agile as dedicated A2A missiles. Could be a good C-UAS option but is that really a job for KAAN?

I wonder how hard it would be to turn a wvraam into a point defence missile for a jet, as engagements are being done from longer and longer ranges, may be the role of shorter range a2a missiles could change.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I wonder how hard it would be to turn a wvraam into a point defence missile for a jet, as engagements are being done from longer and longer ranges, may be the role of shorter range a2a missiles could change.

What ?

 

[boredaf]

What ?

What does point defence do? Engages enemy missiles that enter its range. I am wondering if it would be possible to use shorter, within visual range air to air missiles to target enemy air to air missiles that are targeting your own jet, instead of using them to directly attack the enemy jet. Since air to air engagements are being done from farther and farther away, shorter range missiles are just there for the most part; however, if they could be used as point defence, it would add another layer of protection to a jet.

Is it clear enough yet?

 

[Pokemonte13]

What does point defence do? Engages enemy missiles that enter its range. I am wondering if it would be possible to use shorter, within visual range air to air missiles to target enemy air to air missiles that are targeting your own jet, instead of using them to directly attack the enemy jet. Since air to air engagements are being done from farther and farther away, shorter range missiles are just there for the most part; however, if they could be used as point defence, it would add another layer of protection to a jet.

Is it clear enough yet?

Is possible but would be a close one

 

[boredaf]

Is possible but would be a close one

In this possible scenario, enemy missile would be coming at you from X with speed a, your plane would release two short range missiles at point Y and keep going away, while your missiles move towards interception point Z at speed b. If the planes sensors and computer can calculate the missiles approximate speed when it is detected (assuming it can be detected, of course, otherwise the whole point is moot), the missiles could be given a general direction and distance to travel and then use their own passive and active sensors to explode in proximity of the enemy missile.

It would be a risky, probably second to last ditch attempt at saving the plane and the pilot; pretty much the same idea as PDMS and those new lightweight anti-torpedo torpedoes several companies have been working on. Just, a lot fucking faster.

Come to think of it, I just remember it is more or less like this scene from the Expanse, but obviously not... sci-fi. Instead of missiles flying along the plane, they'll be released and instead of creating a cloud of radiation or whatever before the other missile arrives, they'll explode in proximity to create a cloud of fragments and shrapnel.