TR Air-Force EF Typhoon

Saithan · Jun 22, 2026

Even if our defense industry is developing that solution, having UK's tested version would be a nice addition.

Yasar_TR · Jun 22, 2026

Saithan said:
Even if our defense industry is developing that solution, having UK's tested version would be a nice addition.

Bro have you checked how much a 70mm hydra class missile is in UK? Plus how much UK is going to charge you for that missile? Plus they buy the missiles from US. UK MOD paid over40000 dollars a piece for them 3 years ago (31.2 million dollars for 768 missiles)
Our Cirit costs 19000 dollars. The money spent stays in the country. It can do the same job. (10000 pieces sold to UAE for 190 million dollars)

These prices may vary depending on customers they are sold to, and the quantity of the sale -economies of scale-. But it has to be remembered that the Cirit in unguided form is under 2 thousand dollars. If we are manufacturing it the cost of it to our airforce is going to be substantially lower.

US approves $31.2m APKWS-II rocket sale to Britain

The US Government has greenlit a potential Foreign Military Sale of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System-II (APKWS-II) to the United Kingdom, with an estimated value of $31.2 million.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Turkey delivers first huge batch of Cirit missiles to UAE

ABU DHABI — The United Arab Emirates last year chose to purchase anti-aircraft Turkish Cirit missiles and last week Turkish weapons manufacturer Roketsan...

www.dailysabah.com

Sanchez · Jun 22, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
Bro have you checked how much a 70mm hydra class missile is in UK? Plus how much UK is going to charge you for that missile? Plus they buy the missiles from US. UK MOD paid over40000 dollars a piece for them 3 years ago (31.2 million dollars for 768 missiles)
Our Cirit costs 19000 dollars. The money spent stays in the country. It can do the same job. (10000 pieces sold to UAE for 190 million dollars)

US approves $31.2m APKWS-II rocket sale to Britain

The US Government has greenlit a potential Foreign Military Sale of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System-II (APKWS-II) to the United Kingdom, with an estimated value of $31.2 million.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Turkey delivers first huge batch of Cirit missiles to UAE

ABU DHABI — The United Arab Emirates last year chose to purchase anti-aircraft Turkish Cirit missiles and last week Turkish weapons manufacturer Roketsan...

www.dailysabah.com

Two points.

Cirit needs a bit more work for modification, although it is entirely doable. But unlike APKWS, Cirit is canistered; would require a different launcher design.

Re the Cirit sales figure, I think that's from the 2013 sale. You should think about the inflation as well. USD lost like 40% of its value since then. Old prices pre 2020 don't mean anything anymore.

Yasar_TR · Jun 22, 2026

Sanchez said:
Two points.

Cirit needs a bit more work for modification, although it is entirely doable. But unlike APKWS, Cirit is canistered; would require a different launcher design.

Re the Cirit sales figure, I think that's from the 2013 sale. You should think about the inflation as well. USD lost like 40% of its value since then. Old prices pre 2020 don't mean anything anymore.

You are correct re prices. That is why I edited my post. But nevertheless if we are able to integrate Cirit on to F16s, the cost to us, should be substantially lower than the current quoted Cirit price to foreign customers. Currently It is estimated to be around 25000 dollars a piece.

Sanchez · Jun 22, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
You are correct re prices. That is why I edited my post. But nevertheless if we are able to integrate Cirit on to F16s, the cost to us, should be substantially lower than the current quoted Cirit price to foreign customers. Currently It is estimated to be around 25000 dollars a piece.

Do correct me if I remember wrong but Cirit I believe is also based on the older FFAR; not Hydra-70. Regardless in its current form an F-16 can realistically only carry 8 Cirits at most without extensive modification. And we are low on fighters anyhow so this kind of duty should really be relegated to drones.

Regardless, the 10 number was interesting to me re EF and APKWS. I'd think any weapons package for EF could include some 100+ APKWS; which the US would be happy with as well.

Saithan · Jun 22, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
Bro have you checked how much a 70mm hydra class missile is in UK? Plus how much UK is going to charge you for that missile? Plus they buy the missiles from US. UK MOD paid over40000 dollars a piece for them 3 years ago (31.2 million dollars for 768 missiles)
Our Cirit costs 19000 dollars. The money spent stays in the country. It can do the same job. (10000 pieces sold to UAE for 190 million dollars)

These prices may vary depending on customers they are sold to, and the quantity of the sale -economies of scale-. But it has to be remembered that the Cirit in unguided form is under 2 thousand dollars. If we are manufacturing it the cost of it to our airforce is going to be substantially lower.

US approves $31.2m APKWS-II rocket sale to Britain

The US Government has greenlit a potential Foreign Military Sale of the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System-II (APKWS-II) to the United Kingdom, with an estimated value of $31.2 million.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Turkey delivers first huge batch of Cirit missiles to UAE

ABU DHABI — The United Arab Emirates last year chose to purchase anti-aircraft Turkish Cirit missiles and last week Turkish weapons manufacturer Roketsan...

www.dailysabah.com

While the price they'd charge us would be high. I believe that TurAF will want them anyway just because it gives our defense industry the chance to study it and develop a domestic product just as good. It will most likely be a click on-click off solution of sorts so we'll be deciding when and which jets that will have the solution.

Also if the job can be done using Hürkus, why not let it do the job ?

Yasar_TR · Jun 22, 2026

Sanchez said:
Do correct me if I remember wrong but Cirit I believe is also based on the older FFAR; not Hydra-70. Regardless in its current form an F-16 can realistically only carry 8 Cirits at most without extensive modification. And we are low on fighters anyhow so this kind of duty should really be relegated to drones.

Regardless, the 10 number was interesting to me re EF and APKWS. I'd think any weapons package for EF could include some 100+ APKWS; which the US would be happy with as well.

If I am not mistaken, the Hydra 70 missiles are built as non-guided. The APKWS2 upgrade adds wings and laser guidance to make it precision strike weapon. Also the LAU release mechanism can accommodate 6, 7 or 19 of them. When EF is set up, it is set to handle the 7 tube launchers for the APKWS-II missiles.

Cirit is built from ground up as a laser guided high precision missile. It is interoperable with the LAU class launchers. They just need data bus to enable them to be used from any air platform. So theoretically the 19 missile pod can be fitted with Cirit.

If we can integrate our other precision strike missiles to f16s, integrating Cirit should be a doddle.

My logic is the same as @Saithan. Hurkus is the right platform for drone hunting. To put to air a platform that costs 25-40 thousand dollars per hour is wrong economically.

Sanchez · Jun 22, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
If I am not mistaken, the Hydra 70 missiles are built as non-guided. The APKWS2 upgrade adds wings and laser guidance to make it precision strike weapon. Also the LAU release mechanism can accommodate 6, 7 or 19 of them. When EF is set up, it is set to handle the 7 tube launchers for the APKWS-II missiles.

Cirit is built from ground up as a laser guided high precision missile. It is interoperable with the LAU class launchers. They just need data bus to enable them to be used from any air platform. So theoretically the 19 missile pod can be fitted with Cirit.

If we can integrate our other precision strike missiles to f16s, integrating Cirit should be a doddle.

My logic is the same as @Saithan. Hurkus is the right platform for drone hunting. To put to air a platform that costs 25-40 thousand dollars per hour is wrong economically.

19x pod is for helicopter use, it's not used with fixed wing aircraft; not in this century anyway. Cirit can probably be used in the standard 70mm launcher, but 20+ years have passed and we have only ever saw Cirit with its own launcher in 2x and 4x; that's it.

I disagree on prop aircraft being used in drone hunting use as it doesn't fit the air force organizationally. For that we either need to create a new squadron for this duty, or we send teacher pilots to these sorties, pulling them from their already high workload day jobs. Drones just make more sense; but I'm aware that main hurdle with anti drone duty is not the shootdown part but actually intercepting the things. They are small and hard to locate on radar if you don't already know where to look for.

boredaf · Jun 22, 2026

Sanchez said:
I disagree on prop aircraft being used in drone hunting use as it doesn't fit the air force organizationally. For that we either need to create a new squadron for this duty, or we send teacher pilots to these sorties, pulling them from their already high workload day jobs.

Yasar_TR said:
My logic is the same as @Saithan. Hurkus iş the right platform for drone hunting. To put to air a platform that costs 25-40 thousand dollars per hour is wrong economically.

For slow flying drones, Ukraine have been using props and they've done a great job even without proper munition.

I said it before and I'll say it again, Hürkuş is perfect for JÖH. Training pilots for Hürkuş would take significantly less time and resources than training them for a jet fighter and we now have enough low weight but long range munition option to help in operations from safe distances. Whether it is UAV-230, Eren, Umtas-GM, Roketsan's new mini cruise missile or Tolun with Sadak 2-T, all of it would help significantly in operations while keeping the plane out of harms way. And in case of a drone attacks, they could easily shoot them down and would be far more cost effective.

Ripley · Jun 22, 2026

boredaf said:
For slow flying drones, Ukraine have been using props and they've done a great job even without proper munition.

I said it before and I'll say it again, Hürkuş is perfect for JÖH. Training pilots for Hürkuş would take significantly less time and resources than training them for a jet fighter and we now have enough low weight but long range munition option to help in operations from safe distances. Whether it is UAV-230, Eren, Umtas-GM, Roketsan's new mini cruise missile or Tolun with Sadak 2-T, all of it would help significantly in operations while keeping the plane out of harms way. And in case of a drone attacks, they could easily shoot them down and would be far more cost effective.

Right. According to its publicly known specs, Hürkuş not only seems capable at low altitudes but also seems like a potent medium UAV hunter/interceptor.

boredaf · Jun 22, 2026

Ripley said:
Right. According to its publicly known specs, Hürkuş not only seems capable at low altitudes but also seems like a potent medium UAV hunter/interceptor.

I mean, it's service ceiling is 40k, right? That should be more than enough for kamikaze drones. Also, I don't think TAI updated its specs to match Hürkuş-2, have they? We need to see what improvements it is has to be sure, but on paper, it hits two birds with one stone.

Going back to EF, I don't think it is ever a bad thing to have alternatives which air force agrees with I think because they buy missiles and bombs we have equivalents of all the time. I just wish Roketsan would come up with a better pod with more Cirits already.

Yasar_TR · Jun 23, 2026

This is the type of launch system, if not THE launch system, used in EF for APKWS-II rockets.
Our Cirit missiles are 15 kg each. With a 30 kg launcher, 7 Cirit would weigh 135 kg in total. 2 of these on either side of the wings would give you 540kg of payload with 28 missiles.

Hurkus 2 aircraft has a payload capacity of 1500kg. It is built to handle Cirit from day one. Unconfirmed sources put it’s per hour flight cost in the region of 1000 to 1500 dollars.
Typhoon’s per hour cost is around 50 thousand dollars. F16‘s is in excess of 25 thousand dollars. Hurkus can stay airborne longer.
Especially if operating under 20000ft, Hurkus flight endurance is more than double that of an EF or F16 due to denser air where almost all kamikaze drones operate.

Air force will have to adjust it’s organisational set up to accommodate Hurkus.

Huelague · Jun 23, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
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This is the type of launch system, if not THE launch system, used in EF for APKWS-II rockets.
Our Cirit missiles are 15 kg each. With a 30 kg launcher, 7 Cirit would weigh 135 kg in total. 2 of these on either side of the wings would give you 540kg of payload with 28 missiles.
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Hurkus 2 aircraft has a payload capacity of 1500kg. It is built to handle Cirit from day one. Unconfirmed sources put it’s per hour flight cost in the region of 1000 to 1500 dollars.
Typhoon’s per hour cost is around 50 thousand dollars. F16‘s is in excess of 25 thousand dollars. Hurkus can stay airborne longer.
Especially if operating under 20000ft, Hurkus flight endurance is more than double that of an EF or F16 due to denser air where almost all kamikaze drones operate.

Air force will have to adjust it’s organisational set up to accommodate Hurkus.

„We“ have this discussion from the beginning about the Cirit pod, too less launcher. I remember that @Nutuk has answered this question with the problematic of temperature resistance of the pod. Anyway, 7 launcher are enough.

Pokemonte13 · Jun 23, 2026

The biggest issue with fitting cirit in to this pod is that cirit has an extra capsule around plus something else

Yasar_TR · Jun 23, 2026

Pokemonte13 said:
The biggest issue with fitting cirit in to this pod is that cirit has an extra capsule around plus something else

I don't know what that something else is but; Cirit is supposed to be fully compatible with Lau 131 launchers.

In addition to the LAU-131, the Cirit can be fired from other standard pods such as the LAU-61, LAU-68, LAU-130, M260, and M261.

While the missile fits smoothly into these mechanical tubes, Roketsan also developed specialized digital launchers for the Cirit to fully exploit it's data-bus capabilities.

Originally developed for our helicopters like the T-129 ATAK and AH-1W, Cirit’s versatile design allows it to be integrated across various rotary-wing, fixed-wing, naval, and ground platforms.

But we are not looking to buy Lau131 launchers. We are looking for Roketsan to develop our own Lau131 with 7 tubes.

Sanchez · Jun 23, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
Cirit is supposed to be fully compatible with Lau 131 launchers.

Remains untested for the past 20 years still.

Sanchez said:
No, that's TAI's 12x FFAR rocket pod. Cirit is carried in insulated launchers of 2 or 4.

Looking closer, Nigerian T129s are even more barebones than Filipino ones, no self defence equipment apart from the flare launchers and RWR receivers that I can see.

Compared to a Filipino T129B

And a late model T129B2

Infographic

Spitfire9 · Jul 30, 2026

Given the outbreak of hostilities in the Gulf, do Gulf countries still want to sell Typhoons to Turkiye? If that is in doubt, should Turkiye perhaps order more new Typhoons? I think that soon after the order by Turkiye for new Typhoons BAe Systems announced that its assembly line had enough work to carry it over to the start of GCAP assembly. If it turns out that Turkiye wants to order more new Typhoons, does it need to do so soon?

Yasar_TR · Jul 30, 2026

Zafer · Jul 30, 2026

Fighter jets are to play less and less role in wars.
Going after foreign fighters like Typhoon or F35 is useless and is a waste of resources.
We can make up for the absence of these fighters using our own Kızılelma and Anka, we just need numbers and continuous development.
We shouldn't rely on others on things we can do solo, we can do other business for the sake of cooperation.

Nutuk · Jul 31, 2026

If it was up to me I would cancel the whole typhoon order.

No typhoons at all, go for LCA Hurjet and produce more Kaan blk 10 / 20

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