TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

TOLUN-P bunker buster

Fatman17 said:

New Turkish bunker-buster bomb ready for combat

ASELSAN, a Turkish state-affiliated defense electronics company, announced that its TOLUN-P munition is mission-ready, describing the weapon as delivering precision deep strike capability against hardened battlefield targets including armored vehicles, bunkers, and structures protected by...

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TOLUN-P bunker buster

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Tolun P is not a simple bunker buster bomb. In fact as bunker busting goes it is not as capable as its bigger brothers like KGK kitted (not sure if they have already done the NEB versions. But there was intention and program to do it) MK83 and MK84 class munitions.

Most bunkers are many metres underground and are built with very thick reinforced concrete. You would need our NEB and Hayalet bombs to penetrate them.

If you noticed, the test involved going through 2metres of earth and then half a metre of concrete before exploding.
This is a munition specifically designed to cheaply destroy tunnels underground.
Of course it can be used to surgically destroy jet fighter hangars and strategic concrete built military buildings too.

Yasar_TR said:

Tolun P is not a simple bunker buster bomb. In fact as bunker busting goes it is not as capable as its bigger brothers like KGK kitted (not sure if they have already done the NEB versions. But there was intention and program to do it) MK83 and MK84 class munitions.

Most bunkers are many metres underground and are built with very thick reinforced concrete. You would need our NEB and Hayalet bombs to penetrate them.

If you noticed, the test involved going through 2metres of earth and then half a metre of concrete before exploding.
This is a munition specifically designed to cheaply destroy tunnels underground.
Of course it can be used to surgically destroy jet fighter hangars and strategic concrete built military buildings too.

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It would probably do great against frontline bunkers/fortifications like those in Ukraine as well, I think.

boredaf said:

It would probably do great against frontline bunkers/fortifications like those in Ukraine as well, I think.

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10x Kızılelma= 80 Tolun P

Bogeyman said:

10x Kızılelma= 80 Tolun P

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Combination of Tolun P and Tolun F would be better, imo. Send the penetrators first to deal with the fortifications, then fragmentation to clean up those out in the open.

boredaf said:

Combination of Tolun P and Tolun F would be better, imo. Send the penetrators first to deal with the fortifications, then fragmentation to clean up those out in the open.

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If there are any left to clean up bro!
If you notice this test was done with the test platform‘s bottom parts’ sides open. And how devastating that was. In real life, inside concrete tunnels or totally enclosed spaces, the explosive force is going to be more destructive.
An explosion in a restricted or confined space produces exponentially higher peak pressures, severe shockwave reflections, and a drastically higher mortality rate than the same blast in an open space, due to trapped energy and structural confinement.

In Open Space Explosion :
The power of destruction Dissipates. Energy, heat, and gas expand freely in all directions, dropping rapidly in intensity over distance.
There is only a single Blast Wave. A single primary overpressure wave moves outward, decaying quickly away from the epicenter.
Decrease of Thermal Effects is more prominent. Heat radiates outward into the available atmosphere; secondary fires only occur if flammable materials are nearby.
Shrapnel and the initial direct blast wave cause the primary damage.

In Restricted or Confined Space Explosions:
There is vast Wave Reflections. Shockwaves hit walls, floors, and ceilings, bouncing back and compounding on themselves to create massive cumulative overpressure.
Additive destructive pressure also called Quasi-Static Pressurre traps gases that cannot escape instantly, causing a sustained, high-pressure gas fill that can completely compromise building integrity.
During explosion, Oxygen Depletion & Toxic Gasses cause Rapid consumption of oxygen and incomplete combustion generate lethal carbon monoxide and toxic fumes that fill the entire enclosure.
Due to exponential increase of explosive force in a confined space Enhanced Lethality occurs. Higher incidence of severe primary blast injuries (such as lung damage and ruptured eardrums) due to energy being forced rather than dissipated.
There are also Secondary Missiles. Walls, fixtures, and structural elements fragment into high-speed shrapnel inside the room, adding to the destruction and lethality.

boredaf said:

Combination of Tolun P and Tolun F would be better, imo. Send the penetrators first to deal with the fortifications, then fragmentation to clean up those out in the open.

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I feel like tolun EW would be much more interesting pairing for airbases specifically. Having stand-in drfm jamming combined with low rcs and iir signature of Tolun would complicate the job of shorad a lot. Ideally adding stand off jamming from Koral/hava soj would increase the potential even more.

Even the package of 2 tolun EW/6 tolun p released from single Anka-3/ Kızılelma would create serious problems that would multiply with each added aircraft

MonteCarlo said:

I feel like tolun EW would be much more interesting pairing for airbases specifically. Having stand-in drfm jamming combined with low rcs and iir signature of Tolun would complicate the job of shorad a lot. Ideally adding stand off jamming from Koral/hava soj would increase the potential even more.

Even the package of 2 tolun EW/6 tolun p released from single Anka-3/ Kızılelma would create serious problems that would multiply with each added aircraft

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That's a whole different game and you're absolutely right about Tolun EW in a scenario like that for hangars, and possibly reinforced hangars. I was more thinking about frontline fortifications, like how Russians have been using their FABs. Tolun's range means a low observability drone like KE or Anka 3 should be far safer than the jets they've been using and the combined low cost of Tolun and drone flight times, would make attacking any frontline far easier and economical. These different variants are really great options to have.

Yasar_TR said:

If there are any left to clean up bro!
If you notice this test was done with the test platform‘s bottom parts’ sides open. And how devastating that was. In real life, inside concrete tunnels or totally enclosed spaces, the explosive force is going to be more destructive.
An explosion in a restricted or confined space produces exponentially higher peak pressures, severe shockwave reflections, and a drastically higher mortality rate than the same blast in an open space, due to trapped energy and structural confinement.

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You're absolutely right about the fortification itself mate, I was more thinking about the area around the fortification after it is hit, making sure the road is absolutely clear. Let's say we sent 2 Tolun P each towards two frontline bunkers, then sent 2 Tolun F each after those, that pretty could potentially clear a section of a defensive line both from fortifications and possibly combatants (obviously, it wouldn't be just that easy, I know) and that is just 1 drone.

But, I am really waiting for the tests of Roketsan's new smaller cruise missile. 125 kg with 250km range, if I recall correctly, and supposed to be cheap for a cruise missile. If they can deliver on that, it is going to give even TB3 a true stand off missile, let alone our bigger drones. That could allow us to saturate the fuck out of any air defence combined with kamikaze drones and more expensive missiles.

IMHO this mini cruise missile from Roketsan will be the main weapon of ANKA-3 and KE. Both should be able to carry at least two in their IWB already. AFAIK there is no AD System which can hit a stealth platform at 250 km range. We could literally spam this combo.

06 May 2026

Strong AI said:

IMHO this mini cruise missile from Roketsan will be the main weapon of ANKA-3 and KE. Both should be able to carry at least two in their IWB already. AFAIK there is no AD System which can hit a stealth platform at 250 km range. We could literally spam this combo.

06 May 2026

SAHA EXPO 2026: ROKETSAN Unveils Mini Cruise Missile | TURDEF

ROKETSAN has unveiled its low-cost mini cruise missile to provide a stand-off range, but at a far smaller size and weight compared to its other cruise missiles.

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This is the one, yeah. If both of them can carry 8 Tolun inside, which means they can carry 2 Sadak 4T, they should be able to fit 4 I think. These are the dimensions of Sadak: 3210 mm x 356 mm x 212 mm; two of them gives 712 mm width, without taking into account any empty space before or after them. Tolun P's diameter is 164 mm, Tolun F 185 mm. Çakır is 275, and since this one is supposed to be a "mini" cruise missile, it is going to be closer to Tolun's diameter for sure, even if not as slim.

I think both KE and Anka-3 should be able to hold 4 of these, assuming its diameter is closer to 200mm than 250. It could be a brilliant missile to spam, as you said.

boredaf said:

This is the one, yeah. If both of them can carry 8 Tolun inside, which means they can carry 2 Sadak 4T, they should be able to fit 4 I think. These are the dimensions of Sadak: 3210 mm x 356 mm x 212 mm; two of them gives 712 mm width, without taking into account any empty space before or after them. Tolun P's diameter is 164 mm, Tolun F 185 mm. Çakır is 275, and since this one is supposed to be a "mini" cruise missile, it is going to be closer to Tolun's diameter for sure, even if not as slim.

I think both KE and Anka-3 should be able to hold 4 of these, assuming its diameter is closer to 200mm than 250. It could be a brilliant missile to spam, as you said.

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I have found only one news piece which states a diameter and it is 200 mm.
Cakir has a maximum diameter of 275 mm, as you said.
They shoud make an EW version like Tolun EW too.