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but expecting it will come with at least STANAG level 2 like the Humvee wont be too much right?

about that one, i believe it still normal for Mathadinata to use Milenium gun, air defense / fleet air defense isn't that ship specialty anyway. they should use a new and bigger platform and turn it to a real air defense asset, 2/3 CIWS with a lot of combo of short, med, long range air defense...

i dont think they gonna do it.... even light frigate like Mathadinata class only got Oerlikon Millennium.... it's good? it fit?? yes, but budget vs protected asset compared to the one that already exist, didn't thinks so talking about CIWS, i just saw that oerlikon is planned for CIWS on the...

they took a different angle to avoid the rudder jokes huh? :cautious:

Embargo proof.... :D how in the h**l they can embargo something that we don't even received yet? if it happen it would be something like VL Mica or else....

it took to long, they need something that can be received fast

how about modify it so it will able to launch AIM9x? that way we dont have to buy more MICA air-launch version, something like what India have done

let's just hope that this Mirage 2000 is actually better than those dusty F16 at least the F16 already being polished, but right now we don't hear any plan to do the same thing to this Mirage 2000 do we?

yes, all the way back since 2009 and all the sudden secondhand F16 came in. which why it's kind weird that they would go for it while we already trying to buy something even better. Mirage 2000

at least we can discuss it first, many of us and all the silent reader didn't know that things yet... the CPFH, logistical things and bla bla bla that none of you even trying to discuss there are a lot things that can make this discussion even more interesting.

owh come on, i said nothing but not exactly nothing bro i'm not against those Rafale F4, im not against TNI plan for a secondhand plane as a stop gap but why it had to be a that choice? are you saying that there are 100% no other options or even possibilities beside that Mirage 2000?

1. which is why it sound kind a weird. Buying an expensive old things for a short period mainly caused by a political stuff??? how much short are our inventory that make us have to buy it? if it have to be fast, why don't we just buy something that we already have? or at least something like...

i hope most of them know that it's nothing more but part of a game and stop thinking and make it sound like we only able to chose 1 side and there are only 2 options left (which is mostly Russia vs US/EU). years ago we wont even discuss about that Rafale, Typhoon, J10B all mighty and that...

yes, Crimea aka Ukraine. We know that those Russia-Ukraine, US-EU-Russia is just part of their big game. cause we never saw the same scene happen in most of the middle-east event where the west is the one who hold the big gun. anyway, we already have those F16 Block 52-- and already start...

they kind a good to make it sounds like SU35 failed because of Ukraine Russia war instead of CAATSA that only the "activist" know it happened way before the war

the way i see it, yes it would be great if we able to reach it. right now KFX only gen 4.5++ and yet we facing a lot of problem about its tech and of course, money jumping again to make something even more advanced than F-35 (a plane that asked by Indonesia to US and US say that Indonesia is...

they don't have interest in N219??

N219, so many orders and potential and yet no aircraft received outside Indonesia, CMIIW

How's the F15EX btw?? i thought they already decide that plane as an alternative for flankers..... any political issue or something??

put it on LST for shore bombardment? or punching into the land