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Let's see if this time the reset relations will prevail. Good thing for both sides is that the MB is not as much a topic any more because well they are not ruling anywhere. Still UAEs appeasement politic with the Greeks will be any issue in Ankara and needs to be addressed.

@LegionnairE could you please refrain from attacking users personally or based on their residence? It adds nothing to the discussion. And frankly speaking (this is my personal opinion), while I agree with a lot of what you say, your discussion style sounds like that of a populist politician...

Thats pure speculation.

I mean, even if the F35 was bad, we could have (if the S400 issue didnt exist) bough a squadron or two, cut our orders and still part of the program. We could have gained experience and much needed export contracts for all the parts that were made in Turkey. Oh and of course the billions of €.

No defense equipment is sold without government approval anyway. If you want to be a player in this market then you need to sell, you can of course sell dumbed down export versions or the already outdated ones if you already have the next generation ready.

Philippines got 6 with the US engines worth of the total contract was 300m Dollar. This one is double its size, but is it still low enough that the congress gets to be bypassed?

Amnesty for the criminals is the best you can get in such civil war scenarios. It happened for the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and in Algeria too after the civil war.

If we could get the approval for the Philippines for T129 because it had a low contract value and could be passed without congress approval. Why not with Morocco? Whats the limit for congress to decide? 6 for the Philippines were approved. Trick the Yanks and sell them in multiple packages and...

Sunnis talking about Alevis always makes me realize how little Turks know each other.

You can be against refugees but resorting to wilde speculation and rumours to discredit one student, thats a new low. And thats from you who said earlier that one user should be banned because he spreads BS.

Nothing against the Israeli products, but it is indeed a shame if the German Bundeswehr has to buy RCWS from abroad.

Not that it adds anything to the discussion but I, for one, enjoy my Ford Fiesta.

I think the S400 will remain in warehouses until a political solution can be reached or the administration in the US softens towards Turkey. Unless of course there is an incoming war.

The purpose of a forum is to share and discuss information. Maybe go a little easier on new members.

https://newlinesinstitute.org/uncategorized/mapping-the-rise-of-turkeys-hard-power-part-2-domestic-industry/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-26/airport-for-sale-tells-a-tale-of-140-billion-turkish-overreach Airport for Sale Tells a Tale of $140 Billion Turkish Overreach

Germany has a complicated relationship with Russia. Russia will never cut the flow of gas to Germany, they might do for other countries and did, but Germany is not at risk. North Stream 2 was bad for Europe or Eastern Europe, but serves German interests. Germany can hurt Russia more...

Well thats one way of seeing it, a completely distorted and inaccurate view, but you know its you POV.

This has turned into everybody vs. the sole Greek user.

Man vs. Nature and nature always finds a way. Should have never straightened that river. I hope we can learn from our failures in the past.