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Range of super Tucano, secondly no radar This is actually even a non constructive debate as it is already decided that AA missiles will be part of Akinci. And some guys are still debating whether that can be or not.

A super Tucano does not have a radar, whereas Akinci will (and AESA to be precise) But putting a AA missile on a super Tucano is impractical cos that aircraft has a limited range, AKINCI like drones have quite a respectable range. (you can fly mission in Libya and land back in Turkey). Try that...

That's a bit false analogy, that AIM-120C is not fired from super Tucanos because of speed but because it is impractical and no such demand was placed ever. The second statement to able to launch a ramjet or scramjet you need to be going very fast is also false, the missile simply would need a...

Let me make the first MEME Yorgoooo, where are you? :LOL:

We know it from ourselves, not selling is shooting in own foot. Sell good stuff and more orders will come

Must be a misunderstanding defence minister Hulusi Akar speaks of anti drone systems, not EW systems!

Multi static radar I know, but is the multistatic sonar the same principle? Sonar wafes of one frigate picked up by another frigate???

Greece wants a lot Greece wanted BMP3 FREMM G36 EF2000 But what did Greece get? Nada! Wanting some things and getting them are a bit different.

Scalp naval According to Ibrahim Sunetci Gezgin will have similar round body shape as scalp naval (since it will be VLS launched) but the nose cone of Gezgin looks piramidal like our SOM missile SOM

Whether Greece does get scalp naval / MDcN is a question Whether Turkey get Gezgin is not a question, it's guaranteed!

As long there is no unified European army there is also not much to enjoy, yes you will get "political" support, enjoy.

That I don't know, that why I say it is possible. Todays technology goes so fast that a few years make already huge difference. Take us, 10 - 15 years back we did not build radars, now we build AESA

It is possible what the Russian say, let's not forget that the TB2 is a product of 2015 design. 6 years is not so long but for technology it means a generation. Take Akinci for instance, there is a huge difference in technology in regard to TB2

End user as Pakistan I assume?

Not very depleted! CAMM-ER is of new generation with dual pulse engine like the Hisar missile. Hence why it belongs to the more capable missiles

CAMM-ER reaches 18km+ altitude, ESSM about half

Maybe Jinnah class was mainly designed by Pakistani engineers under guidance? I don't know that is a question only your own ministers can answer. I like the Jinnah class more than the Babur class. There is also said that from the 4 ships the first 3 will be Babur and 4th to be build as Jinnah...

@saqrkh I think you are wrong buddy, no any army nor navy will put all her eggs in one basket. If it does, she has lost already from begin. You have to see what Pakistan has in her power, Pakistan is not a rich country, she cannot afford a navy of blue water destroyers and cruisers to attack...

Rofl, I found the Imza quite an attractive small car (still do to be honest :ROFLMAO:) Was a good scam