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Rest in peace :(

I guess no matter what we could not find a common ground about that matter. But anyway I don't need to convince you.

He could practice his religion in a mosque like an ordinary Muslim instead of lodge of the sect. Then there would be no fuss.

They proven guilty after they are meddling into state affair, but they were not a threat for some guys until a certain point and they were harmless. Now Menzil is trying the same thing infiltrating into state, there is no guarantee that they are well intended. There are lesson to be learned from...

Was that even a question? They tried god damn coup. WTF are you talking?

Same things would be said for feto members. And you were not saying same things for freedom of speech(#191). These lame excuses about religious freedom is lame.

FFS, a few years ago same type of guys tried to overthrow the government, soldiers shouldn't be member of idiotic sects. There is no guarantee that these sects don't have bad intention and try something similar what feto did.

And what exactly will happen after their declaration, a coup? There is nothing wrong with their declaration.

Every citizen has the right to voice their opinion unless this is a dictatorship.

The thing is they are retired therefore they are civilians and do not have any military power.

There is nothing undemocratic in that declaration. Contrary to what akp doing is undemocratic. Now they are taking admirals into custody because of declaration, this is a total fasicm.

How would you force them to use the canal?

You were saying the same thing for Feto. Won't you ever learn from your mistake?

It's also said to be 1 billion $ in army recognition https://www.armyrecognition.com/turkey_army_artillery_vehicle_weapon_systems_uk/t-155_firtina_155mm_self-propelled_howitzer_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

According to wiki cost for tech transfer and 300 howitzer is 1 billion $. so it's less than 7 mil. $, but not sure how accurate is that.

Come on don't be too harsh on Baykar. They are working hard for their achievement.

This is funny. When you telling how much more money Otokar demanded for the tank and tender was won by a company that doesn't have the means to build the tank.

Now, I am waiting from them a tracked ifv.

Do you know guys, when did the work for Ts-1400, was started?

I'd like to learn the opinion of guys who can not find any mistake of akp about the last development in the economy.