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I just don't see it happening at this point. I mean it would have benefits, but it is difficult to determine what it would cost us in diplomacy, with money and resources going to it that could danger KAAN too, but then it would have other benefits to KAAN, difficult to gauge the situation. But...

If we handled our diplomacy well we could defend our interests and have the planes too without giving US a clean excuse to boot us.

We collectively deserved this mockery for our unrelenting stupidity. Need to get our shit togheter quickly. I should probably quit following defense news for a while for my own mental well being.

The most positive aspect of this purchase to me is that at least we can compare murad to APG83 and analyze the detection of KAAN by it.

It is being reported that at the end US basically said either accept Sweden into Nato or we will intoduce F35 bill for Greece to congress on its own and good luck passing F16 deal on its own from congress

ANKA 3 remains the most critical short to mid term development for us until KAAN. At least a truly stealth deep strike platform can balance the books for retaliatory or strategic pre emptive deep strike. But nothing will replace an A2A stealth fighter.

Is the divide between Block 40 those that have gone CCIP and those that didn't?

People insisted on trusting Temel Kotil over İsmail Demir, I really appreciated Demir's realistic attitude and level headed explanations. You can look up posts that go like "Do you know better than Temel Kotil" and turned into an argument. At the of the day it is better to be level headed and...

That's the idea, block 30-40 to Özgür, 50+ CCIP to 70

1. How do you know they will not fast track Greece 2. Will we start getting Viper kits delivered before 2030s?

What we acquired has no news value whatsoever, compared to what Greece is getting.

It would be funnier if they fast tracked Greece's F35 program and gave them priority in deliveries now that would be some joke

This is very sad news, we ended up begging for F16 after losing F35, and now Greece is getting 40 F35 and we getting F16s. To me 40F35 is worth more than 300 F16... and this news increases the urgency of KAAN, it doesn't reduce it. I bet they are having a good laugh at how they scammed us. Plus...

Turkey was founded after a fractured Ottoman Empire with lessons learned therein shaping its establishment.

Moskva was a 10000 tonne cruiser with land attack duty, a 3000 tonnes frigate with 16 antiship missiles on angled launchers is disproportionate. There are of course ships with a many vls that can you can put a variety of things in. Honestly, maybe Istif with 32 vls + 8 Atmaca would be more optimal

Yeah 16 missiles per ship is our thing, its a bit unusual. We are gonna have 8 Istif + 4 meko with 16 each.

See the disingenious part here is that, didn't they know about those procedures when expecting it to fly in December and making people expect it?

With 9 kW total energy, it's likely more a SAR radar

I think it would be possible to build a drone in tactical class that is small and stealthy, but even that would have difficulty achieving WVR opportunity kill. Plus modern fighters have lots of passive sensors. But we don't even know id TB3 can be considered stealthy. It might just catch some...

TB3s with 2 Bozdoğan can shoot down a few cruise missiles at least I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯