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  1. Ravager

    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    Because that is the essence of all this bullshits !! Power playing at it's finest ! 6 day war was iniated by the israelis and their reasoning was the exact copy on what the NK's pretext of SK invasion !! And look what were happening to the NK side ?? Backed by the UN resolution the western...
  2. Ravager

    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    So in other word you are justifying all of these power playing of " might makes it right " and violent disposition of lands/property upon the civilians . ( That's nclude of crimeas and georgian , Khasmir and Tibet occupation !! But most of all our blatant invasion on ET !! ) OK ... I can...
  3. Ravager

    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    Ever heard the word " land grabbing " before ?? There is nothing normal in the Israel-Palestinian relationship . They always stay in the warring state status ...even with these temporary cease fire !! Tnink of Nagorno-Karabakh , North-South korea on the stereoid !! Do you even understand that...
  4. Ravager

    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    If you called that open air prison as a soverign state then we couldn't argue no more ... Sigh
  5. Ravager

    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    And to be honest .... Warkop means for a " warkop " it never a proper place to talk about political issue
  6. Ravager

    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    In it's stance the political stance of RI was allready take a midle way as it is . Return to 67 border and working a recounciliation from there . But , the closest one ever to that was the Oslo's accord that never ratified from both side . Make no mistakes both Hamas/Fatah/PLO and Israel were a...
  7. Ravager

    Indonesia Indonesian Strategic Industries

    Warkop is mean for a " warkop " it wasn't mean for serious discussion
  8. Ravager

    Indonesia Indonesian Strategic Industries

    I wish i could responded to this but this is neither the time or place for a proper reply . Why don't you go to palestinian live section ....
  9. Ravager

    Live Conflict Terrorist activities in Papua, Indonesia

    Those 150 were nothing but a tip of an iceberg . Between them expect atleast 10 midlemen , 5 pure informant and another 20 who offer nothing but courage under the firebreath ....yeah , liqour was the main motivator for the papuans . So , we are basically taalking about mob power here . And for...
  10. Ravager

    Live Conflict Terrorist activities in Papua, Indonesia

    We had too litle combat oriented BKO-forces in the region . Between bloated non combat related personel and Transporting problem it creates too much of time deployment . Too much time in the zone created much of discipline issues aside from fatigues . Not to mention corps rivalries are...
  11. Ravager

    Live Conflict Terrorist activities in Papua, Indonesia

    Lenggen was kind of pattern breaker . Either new wave are coming or some foreign funded agendas were in the mix here ... Either way the new tactician under him are a serious concern for us now .
  12. Ravager

    Live Conflict Terrorist activities in Papua, Indonesia

    To be honest ... Our Covert ops history in the recent years are kind of " discouraging " to say the least . There is a downtrend in " sophistication " of operation planning and get cruder and cruder by the implementation ... So i rather believe in military ops as of right now ... And now i'm...
  13. Ravager

    Live Conflict Terrorist activities in Papua, Indonesia

    Mob attack in rear area ... The planning and execution was flawless indeed . Their long aim was to bait us for more heavy presence in the rear line while in the same breath easing up the pressure for the highland fighter . And seriously this is worrying . It seem their coordination are getting...
  14. Ravager

    Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

    Well , what could i say .... IFV's class were not on the highlist at the moment .
  15. Ravager

    Indonesia Indonesian Law Enforcement

    With how our police day to day SOP were " culturized " in such heavy military spirit . Capable was an understatement . ☕☕
  16. Ravager

    Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

    Dude , we treated the East timorese and west papuan as our own with all the bell whistles and everybody get stomped equally during soeharto's . Without land grabbing , their own tribal people holding the day to day administration office and etc-etc . Yet , after the perfect living example of PNG...
  17. Ravager

    Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

    From an Indonesian side of political view . Truthfully , We ain't give a shit about jews or non jew ( hell , we do a lot of clandestine acquisition from them after all ) . It's the occupational/apartheid lines of treatment thing that rubbed us in the wrong way . Contrary to many people believe...
  18. Ravager

    Live Conflict Terrorist activities in Papua, Indonesia

    Well , between taking our product that is in much of reasonable price compared to the Oz one that is no brainer on their part . Else , they could go rouge and take the chinese stuff/expertise and be damned on the consequences .... 😁 All in all ....everybody was happy except for the poor...
  19. Ravager

    Live Conflict Terrorist activities in Papua, Indonesia

    To be honest .... I never mentioned Oz as a trusted partner . But i digress ... Grammar was never my strong suit after all 😁 All in all we could only rely on our self . While in some degree Singapore as a state entity was the closest partner we have . Too much of their bussinessman heavily...

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