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There is big convo going on in OSINT professional area about how brahmos really took HQ-9 to the cleaners @Gessler ...and what this means in the bigger picture regd China etc. We will get more objective analysis popping up later as days go by.

More OSINT channels are giving BDA assessments. Pretty one-sided so far as nothing popping up major on IND AFB side (its why the Pakistani presser totally avoided any BDA on the supposed S-400....both images shown as osint chap put it were "pre and pre"...NOTHING post....quite unlike the Indian...

This news article says more than just that Sq. Leader, i.e "4 other AF personnel". Others carry even higher numbers. We will have to wait and see. https://pakobserver.net/pakistanis-mourn-martyrdom-of-squadron-leader-usman-yousaf-in-bholari-air-base-attack/

Clear difference in the evidence provided in the respective pressers compared to "fluff":

Visual of the CBG in one of the pics:

Pakistan is more than welcome to ask PRC (or commercial sat companies) to provide the same upon India....since Pakistan has no real space program to speak of itself. Or simply the commercial sat intel (along with any debunking of fakes) comes out at the rate it does anyway. Let's get as much...

I have an issue as there is a 100% weight on a subject in my head and it comes out for 1% summary the way it does...the mind stream effect heh. I am very vision + audio oriented memory wise (it was super tough to summarise rolling thunder like that, and drown out the long convos "fluff" with...

BJP et al. (which contains/allies most of the hindu nationalist factions these days) closest equivalent in Turkish context is something like AKP (and whatever level of Islamist factions it has within it or allied/proxied with etc). Kind of like Christian Nationalists within the Republican Party...

Will maybe pick this up later more....regarding the dynamic side of things first so we get an understanding of what I mean by all the X factors (no plan survives first contact with the enemy etc). A lot has to do with energy and timings in the various "states" of engagement of two large moving...

Again things are static or they are dynamic assets (adding another vector). 99.9% folks have done zero study as to why say USN lost a full third of top of the line skyhawks in rolling thunder to begin with (ignoring USAF thunderchiefs faring even worse)...which had top of the line specs for the...

Past the AFB "totally destroyed" claims by Pakistan (w.r.t sat intel to come shortly)....there is also an objective list of other claims to cross-verify with OSINT that comes out: - "6 BM's" launched from armitsar, landing on amritsar itself - Brahmos storage facility at Beas destroyed (the...

I said "likely", its not a conclusion by any stretch yet. For that we will have to wait for the OSINT to get lot clearer (from maxar et al.) for both sides AFB. Remember AFB's ought to be the most protected infra, and A2G missiles really shouldn't be landing doing major damage at this...

hindu nationalists dont speak for all hindus and indians. Important to remember.

was forum down (not loading) for a few hours for others? Its back now.

At to why India went to pak military infra as well, it was addressed here: https://defencehub.live/threads/pakistan-india-conflict-2025.20688/page-21#post-364373 Damien Symon is good OSINT page to follow btw.

Objective maxar osint will come out, and claims vs reality will be cross checked on AFB damage etc. Members can just wait till its all distilled later. One thing that likely comes out is S-400 (and rest of Indian IAD for its critical nodes) is superior to HQ-9 one. Both sides have some...

"Audio recording" presented from one side means default authenticity? Or harnessing a void on offer to (try) undermine another side with whatever narrative momentum perceived by one? Has it never happened to the Turks from adversaries? or others? Which objective authority exists to determine...

Also folks, take the history chit chat to proper threads. Don't derail with (complex) pre-nationstate era stuff here.