TR Casual Discussion Çay Bahçesi

[Nilgiri]

You nailed it. We play collectively as a group similar to croatia. We played with heart, and pure passion.

Yes both teams are very Ali vs Foreman kind of style.

Use the rope-a-dope, weather the assaults, wear the more heavy-hitting opponent out... and launch the precise counterstrikes when available.

This is pure top notch football for me.

 

[Nilgiri]

BTW, we will now see if the Moors can be stopped at Tours

 

[Ryder]

First of all, congratulations to Morocco.

What a useless post. He is licking Arabs in order to flatter Akp.

Such people in our country should be removed from the market. People who are ashamed and hate Turks and their Turkishness.

His actually right lmaoo

 

[Ryder]

Turks get triggered when you mention Middle East or Arabs to them

 

[Ryder]

Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens are Middle Eastern. Does not disqualify them in being Turkic.

Lipka Tatars are European but does not disqualify them in being Turk.

If people actually read some history we have like a 1000 year legacy in the Middle East.

Nureddin Zengid is still a celebrated figure.

Turkiye is a bridge between Europe and Asia. I dont see any harm if they call Turkiye a Middle Eastern or a European country or whatever.

I know ragip soylu is doing banter but even Spain and Portugal are the butt of jokes as Northern Europeans call them Mexicans or Arabs

Not white enough lmaoo

 

[Afif]

Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens are Middle Eastern. Does not disqualify them in being Turkic.

Lipka Tatars are European but does not disqualify them in being Turk.

If people actually read some history we have like a 1000 year legacy in the Middle East.

Nureddin Zengid is still a celebrated figure.

Turkiye is a bridge between Europe and Asia. I dont see any harm if they call Turkiye a Middle Eastern or a European country or whatever.

I know ragip soylu is doing banter but even Spain and Portugal are the butt of jokes as Northern Europeans call them Mexicans or Arabs

Not white enough lmaoo

I think Turks being uncomfortable when associated with the middle easterners has to do with cultural backwardness of the region rather than the skin color.

anyway, this is just my personal understanding.

 

[Ryder]

I think Turks being uncomfortable when associated with the middle easterners has to do with cultural backwardness of the region rather than the skin color.

anyway, this is just my personal understanding.

Not just that its also racism and a sense of superiority.

Not to say Arabs dont exhbit such things they do too vice versa.

 

[Afif]

Not just that its also racism and a sense of superiority.

Not to say Arabs dont exhbit such things they do too vice versa.

So, you guys feel like that, you are racially superior to other people?

 

[Ryder]

So, you guys feel like that, you are racially superior to other people?

I dont to be honest.

I dont see any race or ethnic group inferior or superior.

Even if I had racist outbursts it was mainly politics or geopolitics.

 

[Afif]

I dont to be honest.

I dont see any race or ethnic group inferior or superior.

Even if I had racist outbursts it was mainly politics or geopolitics.

How does majority of turks feels ?

 

[Osman]

The majority is nationalist but dont care about anyhting I think. Literally anything

 

[Afif]

The majority is nationalist but dont care about anyhting I think. Literally anything

please be more specific, do you mean majority of people dont care about racial stuff ?

 

[Ryder]

How does majority of turks feels ?

You will get different answers.

I dont think racial supremacism is common among Turks. Majority dont believe in such nonsense there is some who may.

Nationalism and patriotism is really common.

Then again if Turks feel hostile to Arabs they also feel hostile to Greeks.

This is influenced by politics and history. I doubt a Arab person who goes to Turkiye will feel unsafe. Its not like Turks are going to hunt down non Turks.

Turks are very hospitable but if you disrespect and take advantage of it they will treat you like a scumbag. You just have to respect them and their rules.

Racial supremacy is common among all races and ethnic groups it does havent to be skin colour it can be anything.

 

[Afif]

You will get different answers.

I dont think racial supremacism is common among Turks. Majority dont believe in such nonsense there is some who may.

Nationalism and patriotism is really common.

Yes i thought so,
the patriotism which isnt fueled by racism is actually good for any country's health

What i am really curious though as a sociology student, how Turks did manage to stay truly patriotic while having a totally free market economy.

One of the downside of capitalist economy is that, it change the social structure in a way where people as individuals primarily cares about money and self interests.
country, flag all is good for lip service, but they are not truly in the actual thing!
the prime example is United state.

i guess it is maybe because of the historic volatile nature of geopolitics in surrounding region of Turkey that, Turks got no other choice but to remain extra conscious about their identity and flag.

Racial supremacy is common among all races and ethnic groups it does havent to be skin colour it can be anything.

Yes, but historically speaking, it is considerably less in Muslim nations compared to the Europeans or others because of islam's positive impact on our sociocultural structure.
( As we all know, the very idea that, there is no racial supireority between people is one of the core values of our religion )
You can barely find any example in history, where a Muslim nation mass exterminated other people because of racial supremacy. while on the other hand, European history is full of such examples.

 

[Osman]

please be more specific, do you mean majority of people dont care about racial stuff ?

Majority in Turkey disgusts anything rigid, theoric, philosophic, written and idealist. They are elastic, pragmatic, oral and opportunist. But if you ask them they say they respect ideals and principles bla bla. They only think their pocket, pleasure and life. Look at Turkish politics, everyone is against pkk and its relations with hdp, everyone accuses the other with collaboration with them, but the same everyone has a history of flirting with them. This is disgusting.

 

[Ryder]

yes i thought so,
the patriotism which isnt fueled by racism is actually good for any country's health

What i am really curious though as a sociology student, how Turks did manage to stay truly patriotic while having a totally free market economy.

One of the downside of capitalist economy is that, it change the social structure in a way where people as individuals primarily cares about money and self interests.
country, flag all is good for lip service, but they are not truly in the actual thing!
the prime example is United state.

i guess it is maybe because of the historic volatile nature of geopolitics in surrounding region of Turkey that, Turks got no other choice but to remain extra conscious about their identity and flag.


yes, but historically speaking, it is considerably less in Muslim nations compared to the Europeans or others because of islam's positive impact on our sociocultural structure.
( As we all know, the very idea that, there is no racial supireority between people is one of the core values of our religion )
you can barely find any example in history, where a Muslim nation mass exterminated other people because of racial supremacy. while on the other hand, European history is full of such examples.

Its all born out of scientific racism.

Not to say racism did not exist but the Europeans were the ones to make it apart of science by believing in inferior and superior races.

Muslim World does not suffer from such racial issues because it was never apart of Islam to engage in racial supremacy.

Turks and Arabs engage in racial supremacy a lot of it is imported from the West itself.

Turks and the Arabs engaged in their own pseudo science about race.

Even the Japanese engaged in their own racial pseudo science.

I highly suggest you look these up.

You will find lots interesting but shameful ideas.

 

[Ryder]

@Afif

Saddam hussein allowed the publication of a racial propaganda against Jews and Persians called.

Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies.​

All this stuff of racial superority is born out of modernity.

 

[Afif]

Its all born out of scientific racism.

Not to say racism did not exist but the Europeans were the ones to make it apart of science by believing in inferior and superior races.

Muslim World does not suffer from such racial issues because it was never apart of Islam to engage in racial supremacy.

Turks and Arabs engage in racial supremacy a lot of it is imported from the West itself.

Turks and the Arabs engaged in their own pseudo science about race.

Even the Japanese engaged in their own racial pseudo science.

I highly suggest you look these up.

You will find lots interesting but shameful ideas.

i know what are you talking about, i have to read these stuff as complement to my academic subject.
Muslims have tons of shameful chapters.
And yes, it is mostly imported from the champions of the modernity.

but my point is, historically speaking, the consequential extreme racial supremacy, which often resulted in massacre and genocides is considerably less in Muslim nations compared to the others.

 

[Ryder]

i know what are you talking about, i have to read these stuff as complement to my academic subject.
Muslims have tons of shameful chapters.
And yes, it is mostly imported from the champions of the modernity.

but my point is, historically speaking, the consequential extreme racial supremacy, which often resulted in massacre and genocides is considerably less in Muslim nations compared to the others.

Reason why Turks are so nationalistic and patriotic because it allowed us to survive.

The Ottoman Empire was collapsing and the Turkish homeland was under threat.

Many of the Turks who actually came to Turkiye were refugees from the Balkans, Caucasus and the Middle East.

Not only did the Turks lose everything they nearly came close to losing Turkiye itself.

If the Turks lost the Turkish independance war we would have most likely got butchered by the Armenians and Greeks.

Thats why a lot of people in Turkiye are thankful for Ataturk because he led the country to victory in its dark times.

Turks were on their last legs and gave one fight.

Nationalism, Patriotism and the religion of Islam actually at the time saw no contradiction. They all went hand in hand.

Mehmet Akif Ersoy was a religious conservative known for his patriotism.

Maybe people think the Turks take it too far but there is a reason for it if they did not take it too far then they would have lost their homelands forever.

We all know the Greeks and Armenians would have butchered or deported us out of Anatolia as they believe it belongs to them.

 

[Anastasius]

The kind of extremism found in Muslim nations tends to be of the Muslim vs. non-Muslim variety than any specific racial-based discrimination.

In Turkey, even secular discrimination tends to be of the Turk vs. non-Turk variety from what I observed. A darker-skinned Syrian Turkmen will still be more welcome than a pale-skinned Danish man who lived in Turkey for 20 years. This is distinct from America where the most patriotic American black man who identifies more as an American than whatever African nation his ancestors were from and whose family was in America for 10 or more generations will be kept at a polite arm's length by Americans of white European stock.

This is likely because slavery and other unsavory practices in primarily European societies needed to be disguised with some philosophical hogwash justifying it to the average man in order to make them feel morally good about it. Hence the ideas of racial superiority explaining why it was totally a good thing. In non-European societies there was generally no need to do this, the general idea was "we kicked your ass and now you're a slave" with no whitewashing it and no need to put down other races to make oneself feel better. If you're gonna do some raiding, pillaging and slaving, might as well own it.

Just my two cents on the issue.