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[Ryder]

It's not imperialism really; we're not going there and taking their stuff or exploiting them. It's just deals about infrastructure development, having tariff deals, etc. China is going to outbid us in any mining endeavour that we might throw our hands in, but you should try at least. It's just business.

Ignoring Taliban because of "human rights" and shit like that is not a thing that any government is going to do as well. Westerners will use it as a tool, to control the Afghani opposition and have it as a trump card to pressure them whenever they want, but nobody should expect Turkey to condemn Taliban for "human rights", as such an act serves no purpose from our pov. The small European countries that do such things, only do so to solidify their place in the ranks of U.S. vassals.

You also don't ignore relations with a country just because they're poor. What kind of logic is that? There's business to be conducted everywhere, esp. in places that are not open to many countries.

I agree foreign policy should never be conducted on ideology or even religion for that matter.

I agree with people saying Akp threw out pragmatism just to cover two failing horses the MB in Egypt and Syria where our proxy groups are too busy fighting each other.

Turkiye can easily reach out to both Palestine and Israel. We had a unique position to mediate both but this got thrown out of a nice ideology shitshow.

Turkiye could have applied itself in a position just like with Ukraine and Russia.

I mean I support Paleatine over Israel. Does not mean we shit on Israel.

We have relations with China, Russia, USA, Belarus, Iran or even broken Somalia. We can also have relations with Israel.

Having relations with Israel does not mean we approve everything they do.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

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Bakın Avrupa ve Asya ülkeleri iki yüzlü Amerika ve İsrail zaten eli kanlı ülkeler bunda hepimiz hem fikiriz, ancak müslümanlar olarak şapkayı önümüze koyup düşünmemiz gerekiyor
Fanatiklik ve radikalizm sadece ama sadece kaybettirir. Cinnet halinde savaş kazanılmaz. Dünya'nın islam alemine, ortadoğuya sırtını dönmesi ve kulaklarını tıkamasının sebebi budur. Akılsız ve ahlaksız bir coğrafyada acı ve keder BİTMEZ.
İslam alemi aklını kaybetmiş durumda. Bunu bir delinin çığlık atması ile bir kadının çığlık atması olarak karşılaştırabilirsiniz.
Mahallenin delisi çığlık attığında kimse sallamaz ancak gece vakti mahallede bir kadın veya çocuk çığlık attığında herkes balkona pencereye çıkar.

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[Asena_great]

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Bakın Avrupa ve Asya ülkeleri iki yüzlü Amerika ve İsrail zaten eli kanlı ülkeler bunda hepimiz hem fikiriz, ancak müslümanlar olarak şapkayı önümüze koyup düşünmemiz gerekiyor
Fanatiklik ve radikalizm sadece ama sadece kaybettirir. Cinnet halinde savaş kazanılmaz. Dünya'nın islam alemine, ortadoğuya sırtını dönmesi ve kulaklarını tıkamasının sebebi budur. Akılsız ve ahlaksız bir coğrafyada acı ve keder BİTMEZ.
İslam alemi aklını kaybetmiş durumda. Bunu bir delinin çığlık atması ile bir kadının çığlık atması olarak karşılaştırabilirsiniz.
Mahallenin delisi çığlık attığında kimse sallamaz ancak gece vakti mahallede bir kadın veya çocuk çığlık attığında herkes balkona pencereye çıkar.

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bunlar hadlerine açmışlar

 

[B_A]

If we would have those lands nowadays, I'm pretty sure that we would see many concrete structure by now as it was in Uzungol

When civilisation collapses and the world heals this place will be untouched.

I think this what we need over ugly modern day cities with their shitty skyscrapers.

Chinese will build shitty skyscrapers there soon.

 

[Ryder]

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Bakın Avrupa ve Asya ülkeleri iki yüzlü Amerika ve İsrail zaten eli kanlı ülkeler bunda hepimiz hem fikiriz, ancak müslümanlar olarak şapkayı önümüze koyup düşünmemiz gerekiyor
Fanatiklik ve radikalizm sadece ama sadece kaybettirir. Cinnet halinde savaş kazanılmaz. Dünya'nın islam alemine, ortadoğuya sırtını dönmesi ve kulaklarını tıkamasının sebebi budur. Akılsız ve ahlaksız bir coğrafyada acı ve keder BİTMEZ.
İslam alemi aklını kaybetmiş durumda. Bunu bir delinin çığlık atması ile bir kadının çığlık atması olarak karşılaştırabilirsiniz.
Mahallenin delisi çığlık attığında kimse sallamaz ancak gece vakti mahallede bir kadın veya çocuk çığlık attığında herkes balkona pencereye çıkar.

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Ulan they think going to war is like Age of Empires or Total War series.

Seriously this mentality of Ertugurl and kurtlar vadisi needs to fcking die off.

Nobody can go in there guns blazing.

I dont want to hear sons of Seljuks or Sons of Ottomans.

Ottoman Empire is dead the Seljuk empire is dead. All of our forefathers who conquered world are dead.

Seriously people need to lay off begging for a saviour or a dead person to come.

Let them rest in peace. Turkiye has already more than enough problems to deal with.

If its an Ummah problem they should stop blaming Turkiye when other countries do fck all.

 

[B_A]

Ulan they think going to war is like Age of Empires or Total War series.

Seriously this mentality of Ertugurl and kurtlar vadisi needs to fcking die off.

Nobody can go in there guns blazing.

I dont want to hear sons of Seljuks or Sons of Ottomans.

Ottoman Empire is dead the Seljuk empire is dead. All of our forefathers who conquered world are dead.

Seriously people need to lay off begging for a saviour or a dead person to come.

Let them rest in peace. Turkiye has already more than enough problems to deal with.

If its an Ummah problem they should stop blaming Turkiye when other countries do fck all.

We need libya oil but dont need gaza....

 

[Asena_great]

We need libya oil but dont need gaza....

not oil we are not there for oil we are there for mavi vatan as well as 50 billion dollars that Gadhafi had debt to us we need to collect that money

 

[B_A]

not oil we are not there for oil we are there for mavi vatan as well as 50 billion dollars that Gadhafi had debt to us we need to collect that money

I meant our economy need much more oil.The oil from mavi vatan is still not enough for our economy.

That s why we have to deal with the Arabs.In the past we didnt need so much oil that we can just ignore the arabs.

 

[Asena_great]

I meant our economy need much more oil.The oil from mavi vatan is still not enough for our economy.

That s why we have to deal with the Arabs.In the past we didnt need so much oil that we can just ignore the arabs.

we are and we can buy more oil and gas from turkic countries arab oil are not as important as islamist are presenting resources of turan as endless

 

[B_A]

we are and we can buy more oil and gas from turkic countries arab oil are not as important as islamist are presenting resources of turan as endless

I think AKP is controlled by Qatar and gulf money now. Because of our terrible economy.

Turkic countries are full of natural resource but robbed by Russian ,so they arent as rich as Arab Gulf countries.

Finally hopefully we will back to turkic countries,ukraine war made this much more possible.

 

[Ryder]

I think AKP is controlled by Qatar and gulf money now. Because of our terrible economy.

Turkic countries are full of natural resource but robbed by Russian ,so they arent as rich as Arab Gulf countries.

Finally hopefully we will back to turkic countries,ukraine war made this much more possible.

Because Middle East and North Africa are pretty close geographically.

We will be more close to Central Asia if we can fully connect ourselves with Azerbaijan which grants us access to the Caspian sea.

Turkiye needs lots of oil and gas.

 

[B_A]

Because Middle East and North Africa are pretty close geographically.

We will be more close to Central Asia if we can fully connect ourselves with Azerbaijan which grants us access to the Caspian sea.

Turkiye needs lots of oil and gas.

The problem of Central Asia is that they are controlled/influenced by Chinese and Russian.That is difficult for us to reach them.
In Middle East,the great powers can’t control the countries like the Cold War era.

For example if we create a large military base in Kazakhtstan.Chinese and Russian will very angry.

That is like someone create a base in Mexico to American.

 

[Ryder]

The problem of Central Asia is that they are controlled/influenced by Chinese and Russian.That is difficult for us to reach them.
In Middle East,the great powers can’t control the countries like the Cold War era.

For example if we create a large military base in Kazakhtstan.Chinese and Russian will very angry.

That is like someone create a base in Mexico to American.

Getting close with Mongolia is even more hard.

 

[B_A]

Getting close with Mongolia is even more hard.

Get closer with Middle East and North Africa = made a balance between Western and Russo-Chinese Eurasian allience.

Enter the Central Asia=directly against the Russo-Chinese Eurasian allience.Chinese is very afraid of East-Turkistan issues.

Actually we had tried to do it at 1990s but didnt gone well,so AKP government changed the focus to Middle East and North Africa.

 

[B_A]

And we have to admit the territory of ottoman Empire is perfect.Easy to defend(surrounded by oceans rivers and deserts) and full of natural recourse.The only problem is that there were too many different ethnic groups.

The Alliance of Turan is also full of atural recourse but it s geographically difficult to defend and has too few access to the sea.

 

[Ryder]

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And we have to admit the territory of ottoman Empire is perfect.Easy to defend(surrounded by oceans rivers and deserts) and full of natural recourse.The only problem is that there were too many different ethnic groups.


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The Alliance of Turan is also full of atural recourse but it s geographically difficult to defend and has too few access to the sea.

Ottomans had plans to invade Central Asia.

Ottomans believed it was their destiny to unite the Caliphate and the Turkic lands under their rule.

They stumbled upon roadblocks

Safavids, Babur and Russia.

 

[B_A]

Ottomans had plans to invade Central Asia.

Ottomans believed it was their destiny to unite the Caliphate and the Turkic lands under their rule.

They stumbled upon roadblocks

Safavids, Babur and Russia.

Yes but those land is plain and hard to defend.

SInce the decline of Ottomans since 1683,We use Danube,black sea and Middle east desert to defend our land from 1683 to 1877.

 

[Ryder]

Yes but those land is plain and hard to defend.

SInce the decline of Ottomans since 1683,We use Danube,black sea and Middle east desert to defend our land from 1683 to 1877.

No matter how much land you gain and conquer you come to a point where you reach your natural expansion then you have to start defending your gains.

Spanish conquered from Argentina all the way to the Philippines.

Eventhough the Spanish Empire was bigger than the Ottoman Enpire in land mass.

Spanish Empire declined much quicker than the Ottoman Empire as they had to defend all those colonies from the Americas to the Far East.

Ottoman Empire reaching Ww1 despite on its last legs was more relevant to the balance of power in Europe than Spain and Portugal.

Ottoman Empire, Spain and Portugal all began to decline at the same period.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

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[Maximilien Robespierre]

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