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[Asena_great]

@Ryder now we have gone off topic enough

that is Islamic imperialism and if we dont resist this the same fate of Syrians Iraqis and Egyptians await us. give arabc name for our kids follow Arabic customs and behaviors celebrate Arabic festivals such ramzan bayrami or kurban bayrami instead of Nardoqan, Kosaqan, Paktaqan, Paynaqan and Sayaqan

we must protect our culture

the post above was my post about Islamic imperialism you reacted by

Ottomans, Seljuks and the Muslim Mongols also engaged in Islamic imperialism.

LOL

calling as as same aka as bad as they are which i answered why greek bulgaria serbia etc... kept their language and culture while Syria Egypt and Iraq under Arab imperialism didn't in which you answered by off topics

and thats conclude our discussion here i have a project to attend to

 

[Ryder]

we have first name such ali osman mohammed zeynep hatice fatma etc i dont see use mete bumin istemi Attila aydin ayla maral sanaz etc...

off topic and irrelevant i gave you example Syria Egypt and Iraq where Arab imperialist completely change the culture of native people from names of children to festival to religen you said we did the same and i gave you another example of Greek Bulgaria Serbia and Romania even Arabia and Persia that we didn't did it to the people that we conquer and yet still you are insist that we are same as bad as they are so here we are now dont do off topic

completely nonsense as they attack khazar turks, turk shahi and khorasan turks. your sentence not just wrong but Untrue

they never became Turk did they ?? are you that desperate to make such ridiculous comparison. even today if you go alone to the US or German in time you beome american or german we are not talking about that agian i gave you the example of Syria Egypt and Iraq were the native's culture completely erased you said we did the same and i ask why greece bulgaria serbia romania are not turkic then ??


yeah do you know who were those turkic muslim warriors ?? the mamluks of india turkic slave soilders they were enslaved by arabs as child forced into islam trained as mamluks then unleashed on other nations or turkic people to force them into islam in this case it was Bengali people.

memluks were exactly the same as british indian colonial troops for arabs. british indian colonial troops brutally crush any Indian up rasing aginst british masters they fought in Indonesia against Japanese for British benefits they fought Germans in north Africa and Europe instead of staying at home so their British masters could be safe. memluks were exactly the same whether it was memluks of Egypt or memluks of India they were used by their colonials masters



thank you for helping my point (and scouring a goal against your own team ) next time when @Ryder brought up the myth ok peaceful conversion i will reminded him how Islam came to Bengal



begum is name originated in Persian so its indo-European its normal to be present in Bengal


do the right thing and remove it i have no objection what do i object is why you get triggered when im trying to do the same for my people

and im yet to see wide spread turkic first names

Mamluks and Ghulams were brought as a counter balance to numerous noble families who had claims to the throne.

Slave soldiers were only loyal to the sultan not to anybody else.

Since you mentioned the Mamluks dont forget that Baybars was enslaved by the Tengrist Mongols and sold to the Arabs in egypt were he rose the ranks.

Ottomans copied the Ghulams and made the devshirme and the jannisaries.

Mainly formed from christian families as a counter balance to the Turkish/Ic noble families who might rebel against the Osmanli dynasty.

Turks and Arabs nad numerous wars and battles. But the Arabs themselves did not see the Turks become Muslim enmass.

Islam mainly spread due to the efforts of the Abbassid Caliphate who sent Muslim missionaries to various parts of Eurasia to become Muslim.

Due to this the Turkic Volga Bulgarians became Muslim. Ummayads were more interested in conquest and taxing the locals peoples rather than spreading Islam.

Ummayads even tried their best not to make Berbers become Muslim as they believed their tax money would be cut.

Stop looking at history with a black and white lense.

 

[Ryder]

@Ryder now we have gone off topic enough

the post above was my post about Islamic imperialism you reacted by

calling as as same aka as bad as they are which i answered why greek bulgaria serbia etc... kept their language and culture while Syria Egypt and Iraq under Arab imperialism didn't in which you answered by off topics

and thats conclude our discussion here i have a project to attend to

Ottomans ruled pretty simple.

Pay taxes and we wont touch you or your culture.

Arabs easily Arabised the Middle East because Middle Easterners in general are pretty much related which made conversion of the ancient Middle East to a largely Arab one.

But most Syrians, Palestinians and Iraqis are descended from the natives people who lived there but also Arab conquerors.

They only speak Arabic. But its retarded to even suggest the Arab world is one monolithic entity.

When North Africans, Levants and the Gulf are all different from each other.

There are more Turkish words in Syrian Arabic and Lebanese Arabic than the Arabic spoken by Saudis.

Most Arabs even agree that being Arab is no longer racial but mainly cultural and speaking the language.

Sudanese qualify as Afro-Arabs. While Somalia is considered an Arab state because it joined the Arab league. They are not Arabs as most Somalis dont even speak Arabic.

 

[Afif]

thank you for helping my point (and scouring a goal against your own team ) next time when @Ryder brought up the myth ok peaceful conversion i will reminded him how Islam came to Bengal

No, that is not about that. You said -

i don't see Arabs Persians and Greek putting Turkish name on their children and celebrating Turkish festivals

ottomans or seljuks didn't change the language festival and culture of the people they conquered nor did they change the religion of the conquered people.

You are denying that Ottoman and seljuks Turks did not change the culture of conquered people and religions. Which I don't think is correct.
But other than that, I am giving you a concrete exmaple, that Turkic warriors came and conquered the land and change the culture of conquered people.

And what I meant by-

Turkic warriors came carrying swords not roses.

Is that Islam largely came in this region with military conquest not with missionaries. But that does not necessarily mean Islam was forced on the indeginous people.
There is a very important distinction here.

yeah do you know who were those turkic muslim warriors ?? the mamluks of india turkic slave soilders they were enslaved by arabs as child forced into islam trained as mamluks then unleashed on other nations or turkic people to force them into islam in this case it was Bengali people.

memluks were exactly the same as british indian colonial troops for arabs. british indian colonial troops brutally crush any Indian up rasing aginst british masters they fought in Indonesia against Japanese for British benefits they fought Germans in north Africa and Europe instead of staying at home so their British masters could be safe. memluks were exactly the same whether it was memluks of Egypt or memluks of India they were used by their colonials masters

If you are compalinig about mamluks then what are you going to say about the ottoman jennisaries?

But that is besides the point, Arab didn't unleashed the mamluks in this region. Malkuk was already running their own empire in the subcontinent.

And that is precisely the point, Foremer subjects quickly rose to the highest point of power in the Islamic context. Same is with Mamluks of Egypt and Mamluks of Subcontinent. Becuase, by and large it was uniquely fair system for its time.

But no Indian rose to the highest rank of British Army. Nor any of them became the rulers of Empire.

If islam was designed to ensure Arab Superiority, in early arab empires non Arabs wouldn't have become Generals and Rulers within the system so easily. Not to mention, Arab Muslims remembers Mamluks as heros, not some inherently inferior people.

 

[Afif]

Ottomans ruled pretty simple.

Pay taxes and we wont touch you or your culture.

Arabs easily Arabised the Middle East because Middle Easterners in general are pretty much related which made conversion of the ancient Middle East to a largely Arab one.

But most Syrians, Palestinians and Iraqis are descended from the natives people who lived there but also Arab conquerors.

They only speak Arabic. But its retarded to even suggest the Arab world is one monolithic entity.

When North Africans, Levants and the Gulf are all different from each other.

There are more Turkish words in Syrian Arabic and Lebanese Arabic than the Arabic spoken by Saudis.

Most Arabs even agree that being Arab is no longer racial but mainly cultural and speaking the language.

Sudanese qualify as Afro-Arabs. While Somalia is considered an Arab state because it joined the Arab league. They are not Arabs as most Somalis dont even speak Arabic.

Remember, it took alsmot three centuries for Egypt to become Muslim majority after the Islamic conquest. If Arabs wanted to forcefully convert them they could have done much earlier.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://open.spotify.com/intl-tr/track/14Y05tWgK0pIGlccWdIHsj?si=73bcfea0b9e64fb6 wanted to drop a good Chechen song here, played by Timur Mutsurayev, a former Chechen fighter

 

[B_A]

we have first name such ali osman mohammed zeynep hatice fatma etc i dont see use mete bumin istemi Attila aydin ayla maral sanaz etc...

Actually many osman mohammed zeynep hatice was not Turkish origin.

They were Eastern European or other ethnic groups who became Ottoman Turks later.They converted to religion and therefore took Arabic names.Similar to how the Vikings changed their names to Christian names

 

[YeşilVatan]

Actually many osman mohammed zeynep hatice was not Turkish origin.

They were Eastern European or other ethnic groups who became Ottoman Turks later.They converted to religion and therefore took Arabic names.Similar to how the Vikings changed their names to Christian names

That's true to an extent until about 17th century. The Turkish names from 16th century Ottoman tax records are very Turkic. By 19th century what you say just wasn't the case.

 

[B_A]

That's true to an extent until about 17th century. The Turkish names from 16th century Ottoman tax records are very Turkic. By 19th century what you say just wasn't the case.

In 19th century Ottoman government try to use Pan-Islamism to unite all the empire,as many Turkish origin people also using arab names,and Albanian, Bosnian and other muslim also using arab names.Therefore, it is statistically difficult to distinguish

 

[Fuzuli NL]

 

[B_A]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Politics
US & China

US Intelligence Shows Flawed China Missiles Led Xi to Purge Army​

• China missiles filled with water, not fuel: US intelligence
• Xi seeking to root out corruption, prepare military for combat

Hahahaha

 

[Ripley]

And here are some illustrations of the future as they were envisioned long time ago.

 

[Quasar]

And here are some illustrations of the future as they were envisioned long time ago.
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[Ripley]

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This one isn’t even funny bro.
The only thing I can think of is that it must be a wet dream of an idiot at USAF to break the US Navy’s global reach and overtake their role as the global stick of US foreign policy. Their rivalry is legendary.

Akla zarar yahu

 

[B_A]

This one isn’t even funny bro.
The only thing I can think of is that it must be a wet dream of an idiot at USAF to break the US Navy’s global reach and overtake their role as the global stick of US foreign policy. Their rivalry is legendary.

Akla zarar yahu

I think that s a idea from Japanese cartoon and video games.....

 

[Afif]

What is with the horse and armor?

 

[Ripley]

What is with the horse and armor?

Supposed to be Saladin Ayyubi I suppose

 

[Kartal1]

What is with the horse and armor?

Nothing more than a masturbation.

 

[Kartal1]

What is with the horse and armor?

If horses and armor reached South Africa I can't even imagine what our "mujahedeen" are capable of.

Only small part of our army is below. The Zionist tyrant is shaking like a virgin in her first time!

 

[Asena_great]

If horses and armor reached South Africa I can't even imagine what our "mujahedeen" are capable of.

abi i can read the title. i think its in he city of batman and not South Africa