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[Ripley]

Oliver Stone is very gifted writer + director, no doubt.

But the "documentary" is clearly (on purpose for reason of the plot intensity) taking a conspiracy angle heavily....it would just be boring without it.

Reality was probably quite complicated in what the exact intersections were between rogue/double agent elements of the CIA, US MIC like you mention, mafia (that JFK and RFK had a complex relationship with) and Soviet infiltrators (given bay of pigs, cuban missile crisis etc).....and all the useful idiots and paid hitmen/mercenaries floating around in the miasma between all these.

JFK and Kennedy family were not goody good two shoes regarding US MIC (like is often convenient to believe, if one wants to view everything through the assassination prism and deep state out to "get him").

It was JFK's decision to go with McNamara of all ppl as defence sec for example....and start escalating things in Vietnam (in baton relay from France who were calling it quits). JFK was extremely anti-communist and extremely pro-Israel (compared to say Ike before him) as well. In fact there are tons of US media of this period of time questioning/challenging/criticizing JFK on this front for being too hawkish and trying to pass things off like dove.

It is simply hard to say where one set of factors starts and ends as to what exactly happened, and rabbit holes are easy as result.....but the biggest thing is to always have 0 chances taken with (secret service et al.) security in first place....as this kind of "mix" environment is always there in most powerful countries to begin with, especially with cold war ramping up intensely as it did and institutional heft post WW2 coming under strain inside the US slowly in the 1960s (by a number of related and unrelated factors which are another long topic).

Now typing all this made me remember Kevin Costner in "No Way Out" (and IMO probably why Stone casted him for "JFK" thriller later too)....great movie with plot twist I didnt see coming if you havent watched it yet.

Man really was at his apex around that time in late 80s, early 90s..... untouchables, field of dreams, robin hood, dances with wolves as well damn heh. That's A++ listed tier stuff.

They dont make movies like this anymore, sad.

Bro, I guess we all can agree some artistic freedom needs to be implemented in a historical movie to create a more dramatic atmosphere but Stone totally neglected control over the facts. He was nuts. He almost entirely based his story solely on Jim Garrison’s book about the trial ”On the Trail of Assassins (1988), a self-serving study by Jim Garrison, the New Orleans District Attorney who questioned the Warren Commission’s findings in 1967”

It was a BS bonanza but absolutely a really good movie to watch. I still enjoy watching it.

 

[Kaan Azman]

These past few days have been rocky for our country. Gonna drop something positive because we all love planes don't we?

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903097526716096917

Bismillâhirrahmânirrahîm 🫣‍

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903426266809647162

“Russian Su-34 fighter jet landed without landing gear extended.”

Cem Doğut:
“They put down (*blew off) the canopy before landing. They probably did it in case it was necessary to leave the plane quickly on the ground. As you know, boarding the Su-34 is done from the front landing gear. When it doesn't open, the only way to get out of the plane is to jump from the canopy.”


The pilot did a bang up job

 

[Ripley]

Pffft,thats nothing.
When i was a fighter pilot in New York in the 70's i landed the jet on a wingtip(right wing),it stayed that way till after i stepped out then fell back.

Oh yeah?

When I was a fighter pilot I had trained my interceptor do the flight and landing all by itself.
Totally hush hush project.
One day my F106 made a mistake and landed at a cornfield.
It was sold as a miracle sort of to the press and idiots swallowed it.

To this day the incident known as the “cornfield bomber”

Cornfield Bomber - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kaan Azman]

It is a weird plane, not that I hate it, Russians are Russians

 

[Iskander]

Sen uyu,we even have nuclear soaps!!!

This is not a joke. Here is what BBC experts write:
"Turkish TV series are becoming global hits since the 2000s. According to Turkish exporters, 170 countries buy Turkish TV series every year. In 2023, these series collected about $600 million (575 million euros) in exports. Last year, this figure was measured in billions.
Turkish Trade Minister Omer Bolat said that Turkish TV series are watched by about 800 million viewers around the world at the same time"

800 million viewers at the same time!
Just 10 years ago there were 400 million.
I remember that about 8 years ago, the export of Turkish TV series was only about $50 million.

I am not interested in TV series, but I follow Russian media.
They are especially popular in Russia.

Why?
If anyone is interested, here are some articles on this topic.

Феномен турецких сериалов: почему мы их так любим

Феномен турецких сериалов: почему мы их так любим - новости кино, обзоры фильмов и сериалов и многое другое на страницах блога онлайн-кинотеатра start.ru

start.ru

(This old article)

Почему турецкие сериалы популярны в России? | Журнал Интроверта

Турецкие сериалы быстро получили мировую известность, они смогли конкурировать с голливудскими проектами. Их популярность даже спровоцировала всплеск пиратства. Разбираемся, в чем секрет успеха турецких сериалов.

artforintrovert.ru

Турецкие сериалы: за что мы их любим и почему смотрим

Не только «Постучись в мою дверь»

thecity.m24.ru

It seems to me that Turkish TV series have had a greater impact in the world in three years than the million-strong Russian army in Ukraine in the same period...
The Russians are fighting in vain

 

[TR_123456]

It seems to me that Turkish TV series have had a greater impact in the world in three years than the million-strong Russian army in Ukraine in the same period...
The Russians are fighting in vain

So,you tell me,are they nuclear or not?

 

[Ripley]

This is not a joke. Here is what BBC experts write:
"Turkish TV series are becoming global hits 2000s. According to Turkish exporters, 170 countries buy Turkish TV series every year. In 2023, these series collected about $600 million (575 million euros) in exports. Last year, this figure was measured in billions.
Turkish Trade Minister Omer Bolat said that Turkish TV series are watched by about 800 million viewers around the world at the same time"

800 million viewers at the same time!
Just 10 years ago there were 400 million.
I remember that about 8 years ago, the export of Turkish TV series was only about $50 million.

I am not interested in TV series, but I follow Russian media.
They are especially popular in Russia.

Why?
If anyone is interested, here are some articles on this topic.

Феномен турецких сериалов: почему мы их так любим

Феномен турецких сериалов: почему мы их так любим - новости кино, обзоры фильмов и сериалов и многое другое на страницах блога онлайн-кинотеатра start.ru

start.ru

(This old article)

Почему турецкие сериалы популярны в России? | Журнал Интроверта

Турецкие сериалы быстро получили мировую известность, они смогли конкурировать с голливудскими проектами. Их популярность даже спровоцировала всплеск пиратства. Разбираемся, в чем секрет успеха турецких сериалов.

artforintrovert.ru

Турецкие сериалы: за что мы их любим и почему смотрим

Не только «Постучись в мою дверь»

thecity.m24.ru

It seems to me that Turkish TV series have had a greater impact in the world in three years than the million-strong Russian army in Ukraine in the same period...
The Russians are fighting in vain

They’re also very popular in S. America and among Hispanic population in the States. Actually, their initial international success was in S. American markets and with a reason. Hispanic populations love their ”telenovela”.
I’m not a fan of any tv shows, let alone soap operas, so not an expert. But I think they’ve found a recipe that includes a uniform story telling and character arcs with a good vs bad twist.
Nevertheless, the numbers are really huge and impressive.

 

[TR_123456]

Hungary 0 -2 Türkiye 49 th minute(second half).

 

[TR_123456]

Hungary 0 - 3 Türkiye 90th minute.

Türkiye to Nationsleague A level.

 

[Ripley]

Hungary 0 - 3 Türkiye 90th minute.

Honestly, I wasn’t expecting this round to be so easy. I was really scared.
I was really demoralized after losing the group stage with two last games.
All well ends well

 

[TR_123456]

Honestly, I wasn’t expecting this round to be so easy. I was really scared.
I was really demoralized after losing the group stage with two last games.
All well ends well

This is us,we alwaysssss make it fucking difficult.
Those last two games were a joke,i wanted to kill them all!!!

 

[Ripley]

This is us,we alwaysssss make it fucking difficult.
Those last two games were a joke,i wanted to kill them all!!!

Thats true. It’s a freaking Turkish thing to always take the hard way, learn the hard way

 

[TR_123456]

Thats true. It’s a freaking Turkish thing to always take the hard way, learn the hard way

Türkiye Turks dont have the killer instinct but its slowly changing thanks to the influence of European ''import'' Turks.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903518329291026754

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903796237037457899

 

[Iskander]

Honestly, I wasn’t expecting this round to be so easy. I was really scared.
I was really demoralized after losing the group stage with two last games.
All well ends well

It has just become known that our football team, unfortunately, will face the French in Paris. Now our fans are sadly thinking about how to get rid of the inevitable disgrace. Because we can't play football and it's inevitable that we'll lose
What can we do?
It's known that Erdogan banned live broadcasts of the demonstrations that swept across Turkey in protest against his government. It's like nothing is happening.
Maybe we should do the same, just not broadcast that match at all! Supposedly our football team didn't go to Paris, didn't play football We can even spread rumors that we don't have a team at all

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903920594456068129

 

[Anastasius]

It has just become known that our football team, unfortunately, will face the French in Paris. Now our fans are sadly thinking about how to get rid of the inevitable disgrace. Because we can't play football and it's inevitable that we'll lose
What can we do?
It's known that Erdogan banned live broadcasts of the demonstrations that swept across Turkey in protest against his government. It's like nothing is happening.
Maybe we should do the same, just not broadcast that match at all! Supposedly our football team didn't go to Paris, didn't play football We can even spread rumors that we don't have a team at all

At least we're still in the top 10 of chess.