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[mTT]

@Asena_great senin için doğru Türkiye hangi yıllardı?

 

[Asena_great]

@Asena_great senin için doğru Türkiye hangi yıllardı?

atatürk'ün dönemi

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920942283035193822

 

[Ryder]

Rasulid dynasty | Yemen, Empire, & History | Britannica

Rasulid dynasty, Muslim dynasty that ruled Yemen and Hadramawt (1229–1454) after the Ayyubids of Egypt abandoned the southern provinces of the Arabian Peninsula. Its first ruler, Umar I ibn Ali, established himself at Zabid before moving into the mountainous interior and making Sanaa the Rasulid...

www.britannica.com

Rasulids were Oghuz Turks that ruled Yemen for like 200 years.

I never knew this.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920942283035193822

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1921108446755115365

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1921108446755115365

We live rent free in everybody's head

 

[Nilgiri]

was forum down (not loading) for a few hours for others? Its back now.

 

[Afif]

was forum down (not loading) for a few hours for others? Its back now.

Yes.

 

[Nilgiri]

We live rent free in everybody's head

hindu nationalists dont speak for all hindus and indians.

Important to remember.

 

[Ryder]

hindu nationalists dont speak for all hindus and indians.

Important to remember.

Indeed I agree same with those isis and aq bastards they dont speak for Muslims.

If only we could get kkk, isis, aq and these hindu nationalists on a island. So they can all just kill each other.

Same with the Jewish supremacists, Christian and Islamist ones too. Throw them all in a island.

Add in the African American israelites too lmaooo

 

[Nilgiri]

Indeed I agree same with those isis and aq bastards they dont speak for Muslims.

If only we could get kkk, isis, aq and these hindu nationalists on a island. So they can all just kill each other.

Same with the Jewish supremacists, Christian and Islamist ones too. Throw them all in a island.

Add in the African American israelites too lmaooo

BJP et al. (which contains/allies most of the hindu nationalist factions these days) closest equivalent in Turkish context is something like AKP (and whatever level of Islamist factions it has within it or allied/proxied with etc).

Kind of like Christian Nationalists within the Republican Party in US etc....compared to more normie right wing nationalists or other forms of less toxic (to others in the US) right wing inside GOP.

I mean every (religion based chauvinism, primacy, supremacy etc ) movement like this has its radicalised fringes, but the bulk normies within the larger party mostly have their various complexes and voids and aren't really violent types per se (or existence of the republic's law and order and their affinity for law and order constrains them too).

They do often have selective lens they then use to view modern history and pre-modern history too....rather than a properly objective one. This causes erosive subversion (of the republic, its stress and strain) over enabling of its politics when in power in whichever tier (India has federal vs state to discuss about hedging it....Turkish one is fully centralised in comparison so the hedge comes in municipality/local level etc).

Ataturkists (whom I respect and align with most closely w.r.t Turkish political context) have explained to me over some protracted period of time now, issue they have with AKP etc....given setup of Turkish republic and Ataturk's approach and regard for Secularism to be fundamental principle for it. These mirror lot of similar things in India (founding fathers constitution and then downstream angst/scapegoating of it etc and why).

One great difference is the religion of Islam exists in majority outside Turkiye (so this is problem for Muslim majority countries everywhere regd islamism that competes with their local secular nationalism if they have it..... no one country has the majority of muslims within it, so the various issues cross-over and are imported readily).

Whereas India has something like 90%+ of the worlds Hindus so its Hindutva (equivalent of Islamism) nationalism is vested fully in the country pretty much rather than pushed/pulled from the outside as much.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

Apo hapisten çıkıyor, terör bize kaç paraya maal oluyor diyenler doğunun yarısını kaybettiğimizde çıkıp bu argümanı sunacak mı acaba.
Bu akap hükümetini buna rağmen savunan varsa allaha havale ediyom.

 

[Ryder]

BJP et al. (which contains/allies most of the hindu nationalist factions these days) closest equivalent in Turkish context is something like AKP (and whatever level of Islamist factions it has within it or allied/proxied with etc).

Kind of like Christian Nationalists within the Republican Party in US etc....compared to more normie right wing nationalists or other forms of less toxic (to others in the US) right wing inside GOP.

I mean every (religion based chauvinism, primacy, supremacy etc ) movement like this has its radicalised fringes, but the bulk normies within the larger party mostly have their various complexes and voids and aren't really violent types per se (or existence of the republic's law and order and their affinity for law and order constrains them too).

They do often have selective lens they then use to view modern history and pre-modern history too....rather than a properly objective one. This causes erosive subversion (of the republic, its stress and strain) over enabling of its politics when in power in whichever tier (India has federal vs state to discuss about hedging it....Turkish one is fully centralised in comparison so the hedge comes in municipality/local level etc).

Ataturkists (whom I respect and align with most closely w.r.t Turkish political context) have explained to me over some protracted period of time now, issue they have with AKP etc....given setup of Turkish republic and Ataturk's approach and regard for Secularism to be fundamental principle for it. These mirror lot of similar things in India (founding fathers constitution and then downstream angst/scapegoating of it etc and why).

One great difference is the religion of Islam exists in majority outside Turkiye (so this is problem for Muslim majority countries everywhere regd islamism that competes with their local secular nationalism if they have it..... no one country has the majority of muslims within it, so the various issues cross-over and are imported readily).

Whereas India has something like 90%+ of the worlds Hindus so its Hindutva (equivalent of Islamism) nationalism is vested fully in the country pretty much rather than pushed/pulled from the outside as much.

Turkiye, Arab World and Iran are a special case study.

Turkiye also had its fair share of military coups. Erdogan is not a dictator but he is an authortarian who wants to be a dictator all but in name.

With Arab World they either end up with a Secular Dictator or a Islamist Dictator.

In Iran's case the Shah was secular but also a king who was also dictatorial. Khomeini himself became a dictator and granted Ayatollahs to be the Supreme leader this is literally no different to a Theocrat declaring himself with absolute power akin to a Absolute monarchy.

Isis and al qaeda were largely born as they saw the Muslim brotherhood and Hiz But tahrir as failures because Isis and al qaeda believe in violent overthrow of all governments in the Islamic world.

Isis, aq and boko haram types are even willing to kill Muslims and Non Muslims are also not spared to achieve their aims because they believe its for the greater good.

Chaos and destruction just makes things really worse and leads to even more interventions.

What I like about this forum is how we can discuss this in some forums alot of people get pissed off just about any topic they may see as taboo.

My dad loves Tayyip Erdogan so much he would never tolerate any kind of criticism of him lmaooooo

 

[Asena_great]

Erdogan is not a dictator but he is an authortarian who wants to be a dictator all but in name.

dictator is the one who has uncontrolable power in lawful manner meanwhile those who have controlable power via unlawful manner are called tyrants, hence erdogan was a dictator since 2017 referandum ! but after 19 mart post modern darbesi and arrest of imamson he is tyrant