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Yerevan websites are reporting the arrest of an Armenian diplomat at Schvartnes Airport. The consul is accused of spying for Azerbaijan. According to local websites, Ashkhen Aleksanyan, who served as Armenia's consul in Austria, had an affair with an Azerbaijani, allegedly a spy, and passed on Armenian state secrets to him.
It's worth noting that, according to almost all Armenian commentators, falling in love with an Azerbaijani is a more serious crime than spying for an enemy state :rolleyes:
The identity of the Azerbaijani James Bond who captured the heart of the Armenian beauty remains unknown.

Ashkhen (Aşkın?) Aleksanyan

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ah, c’mon! This story “based on” From Russia With Love (1963). 😂
007 been there, done that 😏
 
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Seljuks, Ottomans and Ataturk did not allow the pope to do this?

I ask Erdogan supporters especially since most are anti Ataturk.

Why did Erdogan allow it? I know you guys are going to move the goalposts to protect your man.

Barzani goes to Cizre and the Greeks are dancing next to the Hagia Sophia.
 

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why Northrop YF 23's diamond wing design has been quite a rare choice? Eventhough it may have quite an old background (1950s) like Northrop N-65 (guess Northrop had some long standing obsession with diamond wing designs :devilish: )..... and somehow diamond wing design is reappearing in diffrent forms in some 6. gen ?? and does this diamomd wing fall under trapezoidal wings catagory which seems quite an inclusive & overarching catagory? @Nilgiri @Yasar_TR

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why Northrop YF 23's diamond wing design has been quite a rare choice? Eventhough it may have quite an old background (1950s) like Northrop N-65 (guess Northrop had some long standing obsession with diamond wing designs :devilish: )..... and somehow reapearing in diffrent forms in some 6. gen ?? and does this diamomd wing fall under trapezoidal wings catagory which seems quite an inclusive & overarching catagory? @Nilgiri @Yasar_TR

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There are pros and cons to all (functional) wing designs. It depends on the main design drivers and compromises/balances of factors and issues.

It is easier to explain with diagram I made just now and using the extreme cases of backward and forward sweep at each end and then look at YF-23 vs F-22 in the gooey grey middle (they are quite close in the end, but YF-23 is a perfect diamond i.e a few %'s closer to a Forward Sweep):

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i.e lets keep as much the same as possible and simplify a few things (wing areas, CofG being well forward so moment directions are always the same and produce stability with Angle of Attack aka AoA etc)

The taper (that makes the triangle/delta a trapezoid) pushes the center of lift line inwards to begin with (than if it was a triangle which already moved centroid to 1/3 of length than a rectangle wing with 1/2 etc). But this happens for all of them the exact same way.

A) What does change between them is the range of possible Center of Lift positions. The backward swept case will always have the most "stable" consequence (from increasing AoA) as the moments are always going to be larger than forward swept. Then diamonds/near diamonds are somewhere in the middle.

B) In contrast the forward swept case will (due to way spanwise flow works and flow separation at the wing tips and control surfaces there) have a greater possible AoA range to operate to begin with.

So these two matters (there are much more, but this is an example of compromises to adjudge) find more balance "in the middle" of the trapezoid spectrum.

Then the slight differences "in the middle" have their design and performance impacts (and how these are then prioritized by whomever selecting which one to go with).

So going with A), less of a moment range w.r.t CofG and (wing) CoL in the YF-23, means the horizontal stabilizer is tasked with more, the avionics is tasked with more (in high AoA regimens) and so on. Especially given it goes with V-tail there instead of dedicated horizontal stabilizer like F-22. So in the end it becomes a longer aircraft as sufficient larger moment (by distance) needed from the tail.

Advantage is its flatter overall than F-22 by this consequence too, but it has worse yaw efficiency etc. These all combine with dozens of other things to give differences in the overall performance (putting aside matter of any manufacturing , RCS and other issues between designs) and again what factors are weighted more in final selection analysis and testing.

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why Northrop YF 23's diamond wing design has been quite a rare choice? Eventhough it may have quite an old background (1950s) like Northrop N-65 (guess Northrop had some long standing obsession with diamond wing designs :devilish: )..... and somehow diamond wing design is reappearing in diffrent forms in some 6. gen ?? and does this diamomd wing fall under trapezoidal wings catagory which seems quite an inclusive & overarching catagory? @Nilgiri @Yasar_TR

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A detailed explanation to your question is best to be given by an aerospace and aircraft design engineer. Since I am neither, as an engineer and an enthusiast of flying machines, without going in to too much detail, I can simply say that a diamond wing is best at lower speeds and a delta wing is best in higher speeds. Neither are perfect. For example the Delta winged planes must overcome some of its deficiencies by introducing canards and other small swept surfaces. Quite often a hybrid use of both can be best for the result the design engineer wishes to attain.
There is no perfect solution when it comes to achieving good Angle of Attack and low drag with one or the other. The choice between a diamond and a delta wing depends on the aircraft's mission profile.

A delta wing is ideal for high-speed (supersonic cruise), long-range missions where simplicity is prioritised.
A diamond wing is better for fighters requiring a balance of high-speed performance and superior low-speed manoeuvrability and control.
 

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Last week in the country that was formerly known as Turkiye.

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They want to release OE abdullah ocalan but I think they are delaying it or secretly releasing him.

They cant announce it because of the backlash. Erdogan knows deep down he cant crush every protest as the recent protests have shown even if the protest die down tensions are still there he knows his doing whatever he can to stay in power even at the cost of licking the EU and the USA hence why he allowed the Pope to do his mass to celebrate council of nicea.

Dem party has a say on defence spending. Are you happy akp and mhp? Also chp cowards you guys are the most useless opposition.

Turkiye is fcked in the long run. Ama Erdogan will now be complaining why is the generation becoming Dinsiz. Being religious doesnt mean they worship you sayin erdogan.
 

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Dem party has a say on defence spending. Are you happy akp and mhp? Also chp cowards you guys are the most useless opposition.
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CHP has proven for quite a while that they’re no longer an opposition party but rather at a close competition with AKP and MHP for the distinguished divisive service medal.
 

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yup, the joy of islamists running a state. Sell their asses to everyone, make the population poor, become a puppet for foreign imperial interests. Are Turks in Turkey going to wait until they start getting massacred again before they wake up and bring the rope out?
 

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They want to release OE abdullah ocalan but I think they are delaying it or secretly releasing him.

They cant announce it because of the backlash. Erdogan knows deep down he cant crush every protest as the recent protests have shown even if the protest die down tensions are still there he knows his doing whatever he can to stay in power even at the cost of licking the EU and the USA hence why he allowed the Pope to do his mass to celebrate council of nicea.

Dem party has a say on defence spending. Are you happy akp and mhp? Also chp cowards you guys are the most useless opposition.

Turkiye is fcked in the long run. Ama Erdogan will now be complaining why is the generation becoming Dinsiz. Being religious doesnt mean they worship you sayin erdogan.
yes yes everything is fault of CHP and it has nothing to do with you who are one of the architect of our current situation as if i forget your activities during election. typical islamist like a child NEVER take a responsibility for their own actions. as for CHP both KK and imamson declared their are in favor of creation of Kurdistan. KK in his recent video urge özgur özel to go join the MPs visiting öcalan and imamson made a interview with fatih altayli from prison were he and murat emir defended the creation of kurdistan

the only folks who were aginst this treason of political class was kemalist turkish army especially 28 şubat generals who , after capturing öcalan, wanted to excecated him but for politicion's treasons. back then traitor journalist keep saying TSK is threatning us TSK is interfering with judiciary process they are anti democrat they are jews alevi derin develt haşhaşiler gladio. my ears are full of this BS and in 2000s all of political class united to overthrow TSK from leftis whom islamist promise to send kenan evren to jail to liberals whom islamist give them LGBT+ march in istanbul and to PKK islamist promise creation of kurdistan. this is how islamist won the 2007 and 2010 referendum one reduced the TSK's power and remove the military court and hence open the way for generals to be jugde in civilion court which was full of fetö judges and erdogan was its savci other one remove the laiklik from constitution
 
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