TR 2023 Turkish presidential election

[Lool]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Anyone familiar with english-langauge press knows the financial backing, ownership and the level of analysis of the Economist compared to Bloomberg.

Also if you think western and Israeli intelligence agencies don't have trump cards to use against Erdoğan and his affiliates and their potential financial deep secrets and offshore holdings then I have a bridge to sell to you. And just like how, knowing full-well Kaan and Hürjet will be used for election propaganda purposes, they still didn't sabotage Erdoğan by sending the engines, they also don't divulge their intelligence secrets to the opposition or publish it in their media. If anything EU has been in panic mode about the refugee deal, and that has been the extent of the western reaction. Other talks of democracy and human rights in western media is just cliche liberal posturing that doesn't hurt or benefit anyone.

Certainly, that is one way to look at it
But why dont we consider the fact that Erdogan has some cards against the West and Israel as well? The sole belief that Erdogan is naked infront of the West is a stupid fantasy that the West is trying to portray. If Erdogan truly has no cards, then Turkey woukd have retreated from Syria long ago under US pressure, lol. Moreover, Many Western leaders and Israel's Natenyahu are in hot waters and any bad rumors going on top of the mix may mark the end of their career. Furthermore, Ismail Demir stated on multiple occassions that they are learning from past mistakes and are having 2 to 3 back-up plans in case the West tries to sabotage one or two projects

 

[Rooxbar]

Certainly, that is one way to look at it
But why dont we consider the fact that Erdogan has some cards against the West and Israel as well? The sole belief that Erdogan is naked infront of the West is a stupid fantasy that the West is trying to portray. If Erdogan truly has no cards, then Turkey woukd have retreated from Syria long ago under US pressure, lol. Moreover, Many Western leaders and Israel's Natenyahu are in hot waters and any bad rumors going on top of the mix may mark the end of their career. Furthermore, Ismail Demir stated on multiple occassions that they are learning from past mistakes and are having 2 to 3 back-up plans in case the West tries to sabotage one or two projects

I mean they did a coup against him and according to you they are trying to bring him down by ruining the country's economy. So what is he waiting for to show his trump cards?

 

[Ryder]

Well, in Turkey if you are pro-LGBT you are thought as one of them, nobody thinks a straight person also defend such basic human rights.

Nah mate lbgt is a threat to the nations health and well being.

We see what the West is going through.

Keep that shit away.

In Australia we got infected with it just like Resident Evil. We will be the few ones left.

In the future straight men like us will be executed and even ostracised from society.

 

[Crush716]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654136541524967424

AKP Deputy candidate Galip Ensarioğlu:

“The state is in constant contact with Öcalan. If Öcalan wants to contribute to Turkey's unity and integrity and the state believes in this, the state will continue these talks.”

 

[Lool]

Bro why you deleted previous post, lol.

This thread is so tense rn so I thought adding another controversial matter into fold would turn this thread into a witchhunt which is something I dont wanna see; for me, as long as a red line isnt crossed we can enjoy butting heads against each other during the election season

I agree with you, it is the plague of our time and when you say something against it, in the USA and countries like Germany, you lose your job, you lose your social status, you are subjected to social lynching, you can even lose custody of your children. Recently, because a family in Germany told their children that homosexuality is not a part of human nature according to the Islamic faith, the German state 'forcibly' took away their children in a house raid and placed them under state protection. They will probably give these children to a gay couple for parenting.

Yeah, I saw the news; it was horrific. The Germans are really reaching new lows in my eyes. The funny thing is how, after Hitler died, the Germans are trying their best to be the "ideal" EU nation and portray themselves as the nation where the EU VALUES are most implemented. They are trying soo hard to erase Hitler's history from Eu's mind but to no avail since they are still being regarded as cruel murderers. They made me remember French citizens of Algerian descent who escaped Algeria after the revolution against the French occupation; these people have been trying to act as the model French citizen by shitting on Islam and Algeria only for them to still be considered as second class citizen of Algerian descent by the native french..... I believe the ideal term to the Germans and those French citizens of Algerian descent is "on a fool's errand" or are "on a wild goose chase" as some might say

The biggest unspoken taboo for western countries at the moment is homosexual fascism. Thanks to the fucking SJWs. By the way, don't misunderstand, I am not one of those who call the Millet Alliance gay. If the thing in question is homosexuality, some of Akpians are not much different from the rainbow associations that supporting Chp and Hdp right now. Anyway all are offtopic, may be we can discuss these in other thread later.

Oh dont get me wrong here
I know that the AKP have homosexuals as well. It is just that as long as Erdo is alive, those who are pro-LGBT within the AKP will keep a low profile until Erdo is either dead or quit politics since this party was made by him after all. However, unlike Erdo, KK is letting those fools run rampant

I was just sharing my take on the issue no more. I absolutely loathe LGBT and homosexuality tbh; its as if my instincts are rejecting the notion of such an idea in the first place. As I said before, it is truly ironic that we Humans who have reached space and dominated the world have a difficulty in differentiating our gender while the animals whom we are keeping in zoos as an attraction to look at can easily identify themselves

Humanity is in a regression and not progression. If history is anything to go by, a decline in moral values and ethics are one of the earliest signs for the decline of nations! The Ottoman, Romans, Byzantine, and even the Pharaonic empires are just some of the few examples to mention

Europe having lived in a period of perpetual peace for more than 8 decades are starting to break down; sometimes, I think it is good if a couple of wars started in Europe in order to set these fools straight every now and then

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654136541524967424

AKP Deputy candidate Galip Ensarioğlu:

“The state is in constant contact with Öcalan. If Öcalan wants to contribute to Turkey's unity and integrity and the state believes in this, the state will continue these talks.”

Yeah and Ocalan will never do so
You think Ocalan will come out and say to the PKK to lay down their arms? Nonesense! Ocalan is protected by the US and while he is rotting in Turkish prisons, the US will ensure that no hair of him will be touched since he like a living god to the kurdish terrorists

 

[Rooxbar]

Our country doesn't have an lgbtsjfjkldj whatever the fuck issue in terms of either demographics or glorification whatsoever. The prominent emphasis AKP has been putting on this in the past week is the most this issue has been mentioned in our nation's history lmao. If anything the kind of people who would be prone to the western influence on cultural issues hate Erdoğan and Soylu so much that only influence this overblown stuff can have is an unfortunate social contagion in those circles. If anything these people are showing that they are willing to use anything and everything to stay in power, even if it means destabilizing the nation.

 

[Lool]

I mean they did a coup against him and according to you they are trying to bring him down by ruining the country's economy. So what is he waiting for to show his trump cards?

Showing his trump cards means they will respond in the same manner; at the end, both the Western leaders and Erdogan will be damaged which is something that neither of both sides wanna be in.

Oh and dont get me wrong, Iam not saying that Erdogan is super strong btw. In fact, Iam sure that there are more cards in Western hands compared to Erdogan but the collateral damage from the fight-off will damage all sides

The coup was the safest method for the WEST to re-impose their control over Turkey. With the one that pissed them off gone and a new leader that hasnt even prepared his hands amd dont even know how to, the West will just enjoy their supremacy since they will have all the cards while the new guy, whoever he is, wont nave anything

Economic intervention isnt a strong card if the nation you wanna destroy has a strong base. Take China for an example, the US wanna destroy it but the Chinese economy is so instrumental to the US's own economy that the card itself became near useless. 20 years ago, the economic card against Turkey was super strong since didnt even have an economy to begin with but Turkey of today is different. Turkey now is an important country in terms of high quality exports at low prices. Turkey produces a wide range of products from clothing, agriculture, to even machinery. This makes it difficult for the West to crush Turkey's economy completely especially when the high-quality life of the average European is dependent on exports from Turkey; moreover, unlike 20 years ago, Turkey is now a major trading hub with Africa and Asia as well so this in turn provide some economic relief

 

[Rooxbar]

Showing his trump cards means they will respond in the same manner; at the end, both the Western leaders and Erdogan will be damaged which is something that neither of both sides wanna be in.

But all your argument is that the west IS responding, by trying to ruin the economy of the country and doing a coup. What more can you ask for?

 

[Bozan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1653811012863160322

Hahaha

 

[Lool]

But all your argument is that the west IS responding, by trying to ruin the economy of the country and doing a coup. What more can you ask for?

From the top of my head, the only thing that comes to mind is that whatever they have on Erdogan will really hurt him so he shuts up.... period

But then, if that is the case, then why dont the West just use their majestic final card and get rid of him?
Because whatever card Erdogan have on his hands rn will seriously hurt the Western leaders as well
So the West is trying to kick Erdo out without crossing the red line but the same applies to Erdo. The question here is whether the red line for both sides are the same?
The answer is no as Iam sure that the West has more leeway compared to Erdogan

 

[Deliorman]

The West, Russia, Arabs, Iran, Greece, Armenia, Israel and all enemies of Turkey love Erdogan and support him...

Erdogan is the one who destroyed Turkey's economy, who destroyed Turkey's foreign relations and turned the country into a pariah state without any international recognition and respect. Erdogan is the best to ever happen for all of Turkey's enemies.

Erdo is the one who was on one table with the PKK in Oslo, he is the one who helped Syria to be turned into a failed state and make Rojava come true, he is the one to read Apo's letters and put his brother on TRT to beg for votes for AKP in 2019. Erdogan's government is the one who is licking Barzani's ass and who waved (Iraqi) Kurdistan's flag in the middle of Ankara when he came on a basically state visit. Erdogan was singing "Megri, Megri", Erdogan let YPG fighthers to pass on a parade through Turkish teritory during the siege of Kobane. AKP is the one who have their propaganda for the elections in Diyarbakir in... Kurdish.

But yes... CHP are the traitors because some villager shouted something on one of their rallies in Van and because someone 3rd degree member of the party tweeteed something.

 

[Rooxbar]

From the top of my head, the only thing that comes to mind is that whatever they have on Erdogan will really hurt him so he shuts up.... period

But then, if that is the case, then why dont the West just use their majestic final card and get rid of him?
Because whatever card Erdogan have on his hands rn will seriously hurt the Western leaders as well
So the West is trying to kick Erdo out without crossing the red line but the same applies to Erdo. The question here is whether the red line for both sides are the same?
The answer is no as Iam sure that the West has more leeway compared to Erdogan

You see people use trump cards against each other when the other side does something hostile or antagonistic. Like how Turkey used Khashoggi against Saudi, because Saudi had done the Qatar blockade, helped Sisi and also was implicated through U.A.E. in the coup.

If Erdoğan has something against the west, he doesn't need to wait for them to do something hostile and antagonistic like using their intelligence trump cards. They have already done something antagonistic and hostile, at least according to you. This is a very simple point. I will not reiterate it.

 

[Rooxbar]

The West, Russia, Arabs, Iran, Greece, Armenia, Israel and all enemies of Turkey love Erdogan and support him...

Erdogan is the one who destroyed Turkey's economy, who destroyed Turkey's foreign relations and turned the country into a pariah state without any international recognition and respect. Erdogan is the best to ever happen for all of Turkey's enemies.

Erdo is the one who was on one table with the PKK in Oslo, he is the one who helped Syria to be turned into a failed state and make Rojava come true, he is the one to read Apo's letters and put his brother on TRT to beg for votes for AKP in 2019. Erdogan's government is the one who is licking Barzani's ass and who waved (Iraqi) Kurdistan's flag in the middle of Ankara when he came on a basically state visit. Erdogan was singing "Megri, Megri", Erdogan let YPG fighthers to pass on a parade through Turkish teritory during the siege of Kobane. AKP is the one who have their propaganda for the elections in Diyarbakir in... Kurdish.

But yes... CHP are the traitors because some villager shouted something on one of their rallies in Van and because someone 3rd degree member of the party tweeteed something.

Our friends here don't like your points but one is very true. If not for Erdoğan's green light to U.S. and others to use Turkish soil for coordinating and dispatching of Jihadists and Kurdish actors into Syria against Assad, there wouldn't be a de facto Kurdish state south of the border with the name of YPG right now. Erdoğan was played very successfully by U.S. state department.

 

[Crush716]

Yeah and Ocalan will never do so
You think Ocalan will come out and say to the PKK to lay down their arms? Nonesense! Ocalan is protected by the US and while he is rotting in Turkish prisons, the US will ensure that no hair of him will be touched since he like a living god to the kurdish terrorists

Listen Shqiptar both my parents are from Kosovo. We are practically paisans so I don’t want to make this personal. Your whole entire case is based on the opposition being in bed with Apo/PKK/HDP. In fact I proved to you multiple times that it’s Erdogan and cumhur ittifaki are doing/did everything you accused the opposition of. Erdo is the one that released terrorist leader of HUDAPAR, they contacted Apo more than few times and asked to parliament twice to release him from prison.

You are very good at twisting and deflecting the situations at issue when it doesn’t suit you. Now that this whole HDP case is solved for good.. can any of actually talk about the real problems of our country facing?
* economy
*justice system
*education system
*health care system
*debt deficit
*taxes and etc.
So please stop diluting the HDP stuff and actually talk about the real problems of my country and bring awareness to the more important cases in hand to make Turkiye better

 

[nick.f]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-friend-of-the-west-its-time-to-play-hardball

All of which leads back to the original question: what should the western democracies do about Erdoğan, assuming he wins again? More sanctions, including on him personally, are one possibility. US senators suggest that Ankara may be denied F-16 fighter jets promised by Biden if it continues to sabotage Nato. Stalled EU membership talks could be formally frozen, indefinitely. Yet, to get Erdoğan’s attention, any punitive measures will need to go further.

Overcautious, risk-averse Biden and Stoltenberg must let go of old, discredited thinking. They should remind Erdoğan that Nato is a community of values as well as rules; welcome Sweden and Finland into the alliance via a vote of all 30 members; and suspend Turkey’s membership, if necessary by amending the North Atlantic treaty. If he doesn’t like it, well, tough.

Turkey inhabits a rough neighbourhood. No one expects torrents of peace and love from its leaders. And it could be a valued ally again. But Turkey is not indispensable. If need be, the western democracies can live safely without it – until that happy day dawns when Ankara’s cantankerous sultan is finally defenestrated and debagged.

 

[Ryder]

The West, Russia, Arabs, Iran, Greece, Armenia, Israel and all enemies of Turkey love Erdogan and support him...

Erdogan is the one who destroyed Turkey's economy, who destroyed Turkey's foreign relations and turned the country into a pariah state without any international recognition and respect. Erdogan is the best to ever happen for all of Turkey's enemies.

Erdo is the one who was on one table with the PKK in Oslo, he is the one who helped Syria to be turned into a failed state and make Rojava come true, he is the one to read Apo's letters and put his brother on TRT to beg for votes for AKP in 2019. Erdogan's government is the one who is licking Barzani's ass and who waved (Iraqi) Kurdistan's flag in the middle of Ankara when he came on a basically state visit. Erdogan was singing "Megri, Megri", Erdogan let YPG fighthers to pass on a parade through Turkish teritory during the siege of Kobane. AKP is the one who have their propaganda for the elections in Diyarbakir in... Kurdish.

But yes... CHP are the traitors because some villager shouted something on one of their rallies in Van and because someone 3rd degree member of the party tweeteed something.

I dont get it CHP is literally doing the same thing if not continuing it.

How long will you justify the slippery slope just because akp done it?

 

[Afif]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-friend-of-the-west-its-time-to-play-hardball

It is more of a foreign policy matter. But since you already posted it, i will leave my comment here.

Playing hardball with Turkey/Erdogan the way author is suggesting, is only going to backfire on the West from multiple different angles. Turkey w/o NATO and NATO w/o Turkey is Almost like mutually assured destruction.

 

[Ryder]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-friend-of-the-west-its-time-to-play-hardball

You Westerners did more to stroke Erdogans ego by calling him the Sultan.

You called Putin the new Tsar instead it just led to more support.

Yeah Westerners will only bitch and whine while their propaganda just does the opposite effect.

Greeks constantly whine about the Ottoman Empire every day.

Greeks are still shitting their pants over a dead empire that has been dead for 100 years.

Here is a new challenge will you Greeks up the kill count of your so called bullshit genocide for your 100th anniversary?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

That dude writing the article is delusional asf. I wish Türkiye to leave NATO. But I assure you, we will not leave without having Nukes on ICBMs