As far as I understand S400 is effected against tanker,cargo,heavy bomber,and awacs planes for long ranges,its not alternative to siper system,even you have to protect S400 with your own layered air defence systems.
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Samp-t didn't have the required ability requested from our army. They shout technology transfer for inner political reason. But they also give in the first hand to raytheon without technology tranfer nor without a tender. But they got red handed. You have to understand to get s400 was an achivement.These are known things and this subject has been written and talked about a lot. It's pointless to discuss it here again, we can't learn the background of this government until it's gone. Either we shouldn't have bought it at all, or what's the point of getting the S-400 while the Samp-T is standing still? Is it because it's the most effective air defense system? It is also clear that there is no technology transfer, otherwise they would always shout.
The Greeks. Its the Greeks.Who would attack Turkiye and Ankara out of nowhere? Is it from NATO countries?
We have other systems to deal with those. Stuff like KORKUT. S-400 isn't a magic pill. The key to successfully do air defence is to line EVERYTHING you have, to EVERYWHERE you can. And preferably make them talk to each other. That's the definition of an Integrated Air Defence System. When you do it right even the B2's don't stand a chance. Even the F-117's are bound to fall, ask the Serbians.At this point F-35 already launched its 8 SDB's to your S-400.. And also with F-35s radar electronic attack, that detection range will decrease more..
Yeah, but the Greek pilots aren't.You guys think a miserable air defense system will prevent the US to launch an attack ? American pilots are one of the best in the world when it comes to SEAD / DEAD missions.
See above. I think we also bought S-125's from Ukraine as well to cover the S-400s.its not alternative to siper system,even you have to protect S400 with your own layered air defence systems.
Google Michael Rubin. Try to find and read his 2010 report he gave to Pentagon. Then you'll understand.The S-400 purchase over the F-35 was one of the biggest mistake Erdogan ever did. Full stop. Let’s not kid ourselves with useless conspiracy theories. The Air Force wanted that plane and this was for a good reason.
That is true. And a rather ingenious way to use them IMO. Downing AWACS planes are, in the parlance of the youth, OPAF. Its like fighting with your eyes closed.As far as I understand S400 is effected against tanker,cargo,heavy bomber,and awacs planes
Bruh, is it Greece? Is Greece in our weight? It never even occurred to me. Because it would be an embarrassing thought for me, it should be like that for everyone. We suffocate Greece with our spit.The Greeks. Its the Greeks.
TBH you have a fair point. But one must never underestimate a group of people in a zealous, fanatical fervor.Bruh, is it Greece? Is Greece in our weight? It never even occurred to me. Because it would be an embarrassing thought for me, it should be like that for everyone. We suffocate Greece with our spit.
Do you even know what are you defending??The Greeks. Its the Greeks.
We have other systems to deal with those. Stuff like KORKUT. S-400 isn't a magic pill. The key to successfully do air defence is to line EVERYTHING you have, to EVERYWHERE you can. And preferably make them talk to each other. That's the definition of an Integrated Air Defence System. When you do it right even the B2's don't stand a chance. Even the F-117's are bound to fall, ask the Serbians.
Yeah, but the Greek pilots aren't.
See above. I think we also bought S-125's from Ukraine as well to cover the S-400s.
Google Michael Rubin. Try to find and read his 2010 report he gave to Pentagon. Then you'll understand.
Heck, here's an appetizer he tweeted two days ago:
That is true. And a rather ingenious way to use them IMO. Downing AWACS planes are, in the parlance of the youth, OPAF. Its like fighting with your eyes closed.
Detection of F35 is not too hard but targeting can be only made by x band so its too difficult.But airforces can work some tactics against lowRCS planes after detection.F35 RCS is getting worse against L band radars.but we have not any L band radar till now.
No, but only to counter an initial salvo of attack. Our main insurance policy is that Israel is in our firing range.Do you really think that 72 missiles ready to fire and this 35 km detection range is good enough to deter usa
Like I said, S-400 isn't a magic pill. But its anti stealth capabilites are much needed.You support s-400 purchase but on the other hand you say that it requires our low altitude air defense system.
I think first we have to decide what we want, the army needs a consultant and a strategist. First to decide on China, then the American, then the Samp-T partnership and finally the Russian system? Do we make decisions based on what other people think? When we first decided on China, we would not come back from this decision.
Ridiculous assesment here, USA would never go in Turkey the way they went into Iraq so the S-400 are useless for that scenario.Do you really think that 72 missiles ready to fire and this 35 km detection range is good enough to deter usa
Did i miss a specific event where USA tried to invade Turkey?Doesn't mean they're not trying though, bless their hearts.
Depends on terminal phase, probably not or just in a very small dome, it can theoretically intercept non aerobalistic TBM/SRBMs (so not Tayfun) missiles around 36kmIs patriot PAC 3 can engage 1000km ballistic missile?This range is beginning of Medium range ballistic missiles.
Yes patriot can engage SRBM with a range up to 1000km.Is patriot PAC 3 can engage 1000km ballistic missile?This range is beginning of Medium range ballistic missiles.
Actually, it can practically intercept quasi balistic missiles.Depends on terminal phase, probably not or just in a very small dome, it can theoretically intercept non aerobalistic TBM/SRBMs.