TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Fatman17]

And that's the problem: you can't possibly have 300-400 excellent pilots who also have incredible experience.
That's utopian, and so a very advanced aircraft masks some of these inaccessibilities.
The aircraft itself basically takes on some of these necessary characteristics on the battlefield to increase its survivability.
Because no matter how good a pilot you are, if the enemy aircraft has an above-average pilot and is technically at least two levels above you, you've already lost, even if you have exceptional flying talent.
After all, no country in the world will send a lousy or completely mediocre pilot in a latest-generation fighter jet, because after all, these are valuable defense assets.

No country in the world, not even India, will ever attack Pakistan or exert massive pressure.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons and that is an insurance policy that Turkey does not have. Therefore, J-17s would be enough to respond to conflicts; for everything else, the threat of nuclear weapons is there to keep the enemy's feet still.

You may be right but the track record of our small yet hard-hitting airforce known to all adversaries esp india. We proved it yet again a few February's ago. JF-17 is a medium tech aircraft with our F16s and now J10CP as our high tech assets. Finally the nuclear card does deter india (so far).

 

[UkroTurk]

What's the credibility of the source?

TÜRKİYE İSVEÇ YAPIMI GRIPEN SAVAŞ UÇAĞINA MI YÖNELDİ? — Son Dakika Havacılık Haberleri | Türk Hava Yolları, Pegasus, Sunexpress, Corendon, Havacılık, Havayolları, Havalimanları, Havaalanları, THY, Hostes, Pilot, Uçak, Kabin Memuru, SHGM, DHMİ

İsveç'in uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başlaması İsveç basınında Jas

www.airlinehaber.com

İsveç'ten kritik Türkiye kararı! Ambargo kaldırıldı

İsveç, uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başladı.

www.f5haber.com

 

[TheInsider]

What's the credibility of the source?

TÜRKİYE İSVEÇ YAPIMI GRIPEN SAVAŞ UÇAĞINA MI YÖNELDİ? — Son Dakika Havacılık Haberleri | Türk Hava Yolları, Pegasus, Sunexpress, Corendon, Havacılık, Havayolları, Havalimanları, Havaalanları, THY, Hostes, Pilot, Uçak, Kabin Memuru, SHGM, DHMİ

İsveç'in uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başlaması İsveç basınında Jas

www.airlinehaber.com

İsveç'ten kritik Türkiye kararı! Ambargo kaldırıldı

İsveç, uzun bir ambargo sürecinin ardından Türkiye’ye yönelik savunma sanayii alanındaki ihracat lisanslarını onaylamaya başladı.

www.f5haber.com

Fake news.

 

[UkroTurk]

Fake news.

The news might be fake ob the other hand Critical Türkiye decision from Sweden! Embargo lifted
After a long embargo process, Sweden started to approve export licenses for Turkey in the field of defense industry.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.yeniakit.com.tr/foto-galeri/turkiye-yeni-f-35ini-buldu-abd-savas-ucagindan-cok-daha-ucuz-anlasma-her-an-olabilir-71259&ved=2ahUKEwiCq_jAm72DAxXdS_EDHZXMDucQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw14RQvY4j_HmSG06RW1OCdQ

 

[Nutuk]

Turkiye should in my honest opinion not go for Eurofighter. Let's face it everything that European consortiums have build are crap.

NH90 is crap, Tiger helicopter was crap (Australia dumped both and reverts back to American quality), the British retire their Eurofighter's at half life.

We are used to sturdy helicopters and fighter jets, we really torture the life out of the UH-60 black hawks, we use our F16's to depletion. Eurofighter is an aircraft that will give us a lot of headache.

 

[TR_123456]

To my honorable Turkish members. Can someone update me on the status of delivery of 52 Super Mushak basic trainer to the TuAF. Thanks

First 3 delivered in October 2022,no news about the rest.

 

[boredaf]

The news might be fake ob the other hand Critical Türkiye decision from Sweden! Embargo lifted
After a long embargo process, Sweden started to approve export licenses for Turkey in the field of defense industry.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.yeniakit.com.tr/foto-galeri/turkiye-yeni-f-35ini-buldu-abd-savas-ucagindan-cok-daha-ucuz-anlasma-her-an-olabilir-71259&ved=2ahUKEwiCq_jAm72DAxXdS_EDHZXMDucQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw14RQvY4j_HmSG06RW1OCdQ

Doesn't really matter when it comes to Gripen, it would still require US approval as it has engines and other components from them.

 

[DBdev]

Turkiye should in my honest opinion not go for Eurofighter. Let's face it everything that European consortiums have build are crap.

NH90 is crap, Tiger helicopter was crap (Australia dumped both and reverts back to American quality), the British retire their Eurofighter's at half life.

We are used to sturdy helicopters and fighter jets, we really torture the life out of the UH-60 black hawks, we use our F16's to depletion. Eurofighter is an aircraft that will give us a lot of headache.

Only criteria that matters in a modern day war is RCS, Gripen-E is a small plane but still not stealthy, our Kizilelma would do a better job and can take more risks than manned Gripen can. Kizilelma, Anka-3 and Kaan production line, stealth materials R&D, must be sped up instead of wasting billions on STILL expensive (65$million*instead of $200million Eurofighter) Gripen-E target plane. Anything less stealthy than F-35 is a bad investment in year 2024. At least we can make our planes more stealthy by R&D. But not if we waste those tens of billions in R&D money on shiny but obsolete 4th gen fighters when first 6th gen plane B-21 Raider is already on the air with a RCS smaller than a mosquito not only in S, L and X bands but in UHF and VHF band too. Northrop Grumman B-21 is pretty much an UFO at this point, stealth wise.

 

[Sanchez]

UK is to to strip Tranche 1 EF2000s to supply T2 and T3. There goes one more possible idea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743577559646847159

 

[Quasar]

Fake targets produced for the Air Force by the Turkish TDU defense company... The company can produce fake itargets of any platform, regardless of air, land or sea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743631023152193589

 

[Afif]

Only criteria that matters in a modern day war is RCS,

Passive targeting (from onboard and off-board sensor fusion) and network-centric articeture are equally important.

 

[Rodeo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744086178821738583

 

[uçuyorum]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744086178821738583

I wonder if this is prep for also agreeing to sell to Turkey or it's to tell everyone look we authorized one of them it should be enough kinda thing that makes it even more unlikely for us.

 

[Rodeo]

I wonder if this is prep for also agreeing to sell to Turkey or it's to tell everyone look we authorized one of them it should be enough kinda thing that makes it even more unlikely for us.

I always assume the worst when it comes to German politics.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

One should not rely on others and not spend a cent more in the USA & Europe. Instead, use the money you would pay for the Eurofighter/F-16 to invest directly in the Hürjet & F-16 Özgur I & II and accelerate them to the absolute maximum.
So that everything is completed in 2-3 years at the latest and all Turkish F-16s are upgraded to the equivalent of Block 70.
And 10 additional Hürjets will be available as Block 0 for TCG Anadolu.
Then 10 more Hürjets every year, and we would have a buffer until KAAN arrives.
Then neither Greece nor Saudi Arabia & Co would have a certain head start.
The KAAN project can then be completed in parallel without any pressure, and at least 3-4 prototypes can be produced by 2029 to correct all errors. The first Block 0 could then be produced directly with its own engine in 2030.
Until then, there would also be the opportunity to make minor design changes to the aircraft, and additionally to get an improved version of MURAD AESA radar as version 2.0, and improved AVIONIK and the radar-absorbing coating/painting from the findings of the Anka 3/Kizilelma and F-16 Özgur and Hürjet.

 

[RMZN]

I wonder if this is prep for also agreeing to sell to Turkey or it's to tell everyone look we authorized one of them it should be enough kinda thing that makes it even more unlikely for us.

maybe if Erdogan didnt openly support Hamas. They can overlook SA human rights abuses but not any hostility towards Israel or criticism of their actions.

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1744086178821738583

The Saudis' fight against the Houthi rebels in Yemen is also helping Israel, said Foreign Minister Baerbock during her visit to Jerusalem.

During her visit to Jerusalem, Germany's chief diplomat pointed out that the Saudi air force was shooting down missiles aimed at Israel by the Houthi rebels in Yemen.

She said after talks with Israel's President Izchak Herzog and the new Foreign Minister Israel Katz that Saudi Arabia was thus also making a significant contribution to Israel's security these days and containing the danger of a regional conflagration. "For this very reason, we do not see ourselves as the German government opposing the British plans for further Eurofighters for Saudi Arabia," explained the Minister.

The Minister called it remarkable that Israel and Saudi Arabia had not rejected their normalisation course following the terrorist attacks by Islamist Hamas on 7 October. "The fact that Saudi Arabia is now intercepting rockets and drones that the Houthis are firing at Israel emphasises this, and we are grateful for that."

Bundesregierung gibt weitere Eurofighter für Saudi-Arabien frei

Die Bundesregierung ist offen für die Lieferung weiterer Eurofighter an Saudi-Arabien. Der Kampf der Saudis gegen die Huthi-Miliz im Jemen helfe auch Israel, sagte Außenministerin Baerbock. Von den Grünen kommt harsche Kritik.

www.tagesschau.de

Looks like Israel is holding their leash very tight.
And if there is enough money on the table, you can gloss over everything.

 

[Nutuk]

American pilot about F16 vs F35
He basically says F16 beats F35 in dogfight, but from distance F16 has no chance. A 4th gen fighter jet stands no chance against 5th gen. that's why I am vehemently opposed against purchase of Eurofighter (pure crap)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743736171350401516

4th gen fighter stands no chance against F35

But what about Kizilelma vs F35? I really would like to hear stealth assessments from Baykar, how stealth is Kizilelma?

 

[Afif]

There is not much serious convo to have on F-35 vs KE.

KAAN vs F-35 on the other hand could be an interesting discussion.

 

[Nutuk]

There is not much serious convo to have on F-35 vs KE.

KAAN vs F-35 on the other hand could be an interesting discussion.

KE vs F35 makes as much sense as Kaan vs F35

Stealth seems to be the determining factor, see first shoot first. Question is how stealth is KE and how stealth will be Kaan (assuming that 0.01 RCS is a real value for F35, cos honestly we do not know the real RCS of F35 neither)