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[Heartbang]

The US State Department approved the sale of US$259 million worth of F-16 avionics to Turkey!


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What about the Congress?

 

[Sanchez]

If it's officially being passed to the congress for their review, it's more than likely a done deal.
And here's the link: https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/turkiye-f-16-avionics-upgrade

I still don't get who's the recipient for these tho. Which blocks? GCAS requires a terrain following radar, no? Which makes Lantirn pods a necessity for it to work on our F-16s.

 

[I_Love_F16]

What about the modernization of the fleet to the Block 70 ?

 

[what]

US sets $259 million F-16 equipment sale to Turkey

U.S. President Joe Biden's administration notified Congress on Monday of the planned sale to Turkey of avionics software upgrades for its current fleet of F-16 fighter aircraft, a deal valued at up to $259 million.

www.reuters.com

The smaller package is supposed to be a positive signal and a first step.

I believe the bigger one will be approved too, the question remains when it will be approved.

 

[Enderun]

 

[Nutuk]

US sets $259 million F-16 equipment sale to Turkey

U.S. President Joe Biden's administration notified Congress on Monday of the planned sale to Turkey of avionics software upgrades for its current fleet of F-16 fighter aircraft, a deal valued at up to $259 million.

www.reuters.com

The smaller package is supposed to be a positive signal and a first step.

I believe the bigger one will be approved too, the question remains when it will be approved.

Small package?

That's $3mln per kit, I think that is the whole blk 70 kit

 

[dBSPL]

I wish they get additional fuel tank.

F-16s without conformal tanks are much more agile in dogfights. Not occupying hardpoints, may be a critical issue for strike missions, but I don't think it is 'must' for screening and interceptor missions. Strike missions are shifting towards drones in general. This will become much more visible, especially with AKINCI-C and Anka-3.

I think MRTT kits for A330s would be a much more strategic investment. (And with a solution based on the same A330s, we should increase the AWACS fleet size by turning to built-in-house production with our own radar and electronic warfare suite.) F-16s are already short-range front-line interceptors in the air force setup. For deep strike, F-4s should be replaced by twin-engine aircraft. IMHO F-16s with conformal tanks will not be a real equivalent in this sense.

 

[TheInsider]

This is about GCAS (ground collision avoidance system) and Link-16 upgrade. We will add GCAS to our F-16s and CCIP F-16s have link-16 but those will be updated to the latest standard. Unfortunately, we can't produce link-16 without permission from the US.

 

[No Name]

This is about GCAS (ground collision avoidance system) and Link-16 upgrade. We will add GCAS to our F-16s and CCIP F-16s have link-16 but those will be updated to the latest standard. Unfortunately, we can't produce link-16 without permission from the US.

do you mean that it can't be made by Turkey without the US or do you mean that it can't be integrated without the US's permission?

 

[Heartbang]

do you mean that it can't be made by Turkey without the US or do you mean that it can't be integrated without the US's permission?

It can probably be made and integrated by Turkiye without permission, but since its an encrypted radio, you'd need the US to give you the codes. And encryption codes are not to be just handed over. You'd usually ship the product back to where the code is, or someone trustworthy to deliver the code.

 

[TheInsider]

Ayesas can produce link-16 and TR obviously has access to the encryption but Ayesas can only produce link-16 if permission is granted similar to TAI building T-70 helicopters.

 

[DBdev]

It is a disgrace to still not having upgraded the entire F-16 fleet to viper level locally. I am embarrassed for TUSAS and Aselsan. Since they themselves do not seem to have any shame for making us beg for extremely overpriced stuff from yanks.

 

[Nutuk]

It is a disgrace to still not having upgraded the entire F-16 fleet to viper level locally. I am embarrassed for TUSAS and Aselsan. Since they themselves do not seem to have any shame for making us beg for extremely overpriced stuff from yanks.

Than you are emarrassed wrongly.

It is not Tusas or Aselsan stopping or delaying upgrades, they are "emir kulu".

 

[babayetu]

It is a disgrace to still not having upgraded the entire F-16 fleet to viper level locally. I am embarrassed for TUSAS and Aselsan. Since they themselves do not seem to have any shame for making us beg for extremely overpriced stuff from yanks.

Lockeed Martin does not even let Turkey upgrade block40/50s. It is not possible to upgrade them ourselves. They want to sell their own kit.
We are only allowed to do that for our block 30s.
we have more than 170 block 40/50s that's a lot of $$$ to earn for LM.
You do not simply understand f-16s or not our platforms, they are LM's we just bought them with certain conditions, one of them being we can not modify them without their consent. If we do so, at least they will stop working with us at most they will sue us in US courts that is going to end very badly for us.

 

[DBdev]

I am worried about a war with Greece since they openly said they are going to increase their territorial water to 12 miles if Erdogan loses the elections. They are against Turkiye using even the word Aegean in tourism ads. And at this point yanks are clearly 100% against us militarily and their intensions are completely hostile not to mention they stole billions from us with F-35 contract THEY violated. So talking about contract fine points with these people when a war with them is months away is insane to me.

 

[No Name]

I am worried about a war with Greece since they openly said they are going to increase their territorial water to 12 miles if Erdogan loses the elections. They are against Turkiye using even the word Aegean in tourism ads. And at this point yanks are clearly 100% against us militarily and their intensions are completely hostile not to mention they stole billions from us with F-35 contract THEY violated. So talking about contract fine points with these people when a war with them is months away is insane to me.

Turkey probably wouldn't go to war with Greece even if Greece increase their territorial waters to 12 miles instead Turkey should just state that it doesn't recognise Greece's claims and move on.

if Turkey is to go to war with Greece it should do so in 10 to 15 years later as Greece's population is about to collapse, here check this out.

Some believed that by the year 2100 Greece's popularity will decline to around 6 million. personally believe it will probably be less than that as an elderly population will drive more Greek youth to flee the country.

the more time passes the weaker Greece gets and the stronger Turkey becomes in comparison not the other way round.

As for the US the best thing for Turkey is to wait the US out as the emergence of new great power competition to the US being forced to adopt a more rational foreign policy than the one it currently has especially when India becomes more of a player in the global stage and China starts to grow it's influenced in the middle east.

 

[DBdev]

Turkey probably wouldn't go to war with Greece even if Greece increase their territorial waters to 12 miles instead Turkey should just state that it doesn't recognise Greece's claims and move on.

if Turkey is to go to war with Greece it should do so in 10 to 15 years later as Greece's population is about to collapse, here check this out.

Some believed that by the year 2100 Greece's popularity will decline to around 6 million. personally believe it will probably be less than that as an elderly population will drive more Greek youth to flee the country.

the more time passes the weaker Greece gets and the stronger Turkey becomes in comparison not the other way round.

As for the US the best thing for Turkey is to wait the US out as the emergence of new great power competition to the US being forced to adopt a more rational foreign policy than the one it currently has especially when India becomes more of a player in the global stage and China starts to grow it's influenced in the middle east.

War is pre-declared in 90s in Turkish senate as in "casus belli". Even suggesting that Türkiye may not go to war over being blocked in Aegean is against all Turkish interests. Months later Greece will unite with Cyprus (ENOSIS) as current EOKA terror group supporting Cyprus president suggested and block us in Mediterranean too. If our resolve wavers a tiny bit on 12 miles or Mavivatan. We were at war with US twice once in Libya and once when their warships were bombing cities like Samsun along with Greek warships. It seems to me since they are training Cyprus for the coming war and invasion of north Cyprus and already surrounded us in Iraq, Syria, Cyprus, Greece and donated billions to Greece and PKK. It is inevitable at this point. Only a Turkish thermonuclear test can give them pause IMHO.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Turkey probably wouldn't go to war with Greece even if Greece increase their territorial waters to 12 miles instead Turkey should just state that it doesn't recognise Greece's claims and move on.

if Turkey is to go to war with Greece it should do so in 10 to 15 years later as Greece's population is about to collapse, here check this out.

Some believed that by the year 2100 Greece's popularity will decline to around 6 million. personally believe it will probably be less than that as an elderly population will drive more Greek youth to flee the country.

the more time passes the weaker Greece gets and the stronger Turkey becomes in comparison not the other way round.

As for the US the best thing for Turkey is to wait the US out as the emergence of new great power competition to the US being forced to adopt a more rational foreign policy than the one it currently has especially when India becomes more of a player in the global stage and China starts to grow it's influenced in the middle east.

No matter how much greece population has , greece is just puppet of US and other just a chess piece for US so even if has 100k population his land is USA land military base . Just like many other coutries . But thanks god the USA domination is declined day by day and will fall , the new world order will come .
Aslo if grece has problems will low population , Turkiye has problems with Separatism , financed and supported by West 'friends' Even when i play sometimes pubg , There are so many kurd sapararist that choose all kind of african or asiatic flag that accroding to them have similarity with their flag but dont choose Turkish flag . i mean some of them because there are aslo Turkish kurd brothers that love Turkiye live and work as normal citenzens

 

[Nutuk]

Turkey should wipe out Greece out of the Aegean and declare territorial waters of 60 miles if Greece goes for 12

 

[TheInsider]

TR should negotiate with GR in never-ending negotiations until the Turkish Armed forces become a behemoth neither the EU nor the USA is willing to bother. TR should not plan a war but plan the systematic destruction of GRs military manpower (GR is low on manpower and can't sustain military units if GR loses a few hundred thousand) and infrastructure (energy, industry, refineries, ports, airports, power plants, etc). TR should refrain from harming civilians as much as possible as they will be the ones that will hang their governments for their stupid decisions.

Oh, BTW we should increase our defense spending to %2 of our GDP and start an arms race.