TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

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When asked whether the combat aircraft in the hands of the Turkish Armed Forces will meet their missions, Güler said, "Our F-16s and F-4s are sufficient for the tasks we will carry out.

But of course we are looking forward. We initially applied for the F-35 for the future, but some problems arose with the F-35. We are also working on alternatives.

"In order to modernize our F-16s, we will purchase 40 ready-made F-16 Block 70 Vipers, and we will modernize 79 of them ourselves at TAI."

“We have two planes that are the main thing for us.” Güler said, "One of these is Hürjet. This will also be our training aircraft.

It is also a combat aircraft. Our main target is our 5th generation national combat aircraft, Kaan. Hopefully it will make its first flight at the end of this year.

It is a 5th generation aircraft. We are working on our own engine. "We will supply the domestic engine in 2028, and it will be flying with our own engine in 2032 at the latest," he said.

https://x.com/savunmasanayist/status/1725227155850756366?s=46&t=VtWdwp6T8jWu9mHt6cp6RA

 

[TR_123456]

All those can be replaced with National or russian , china ones until national one are ready

No it cant,its not like changing tires.
No Russian or Chinese engine is good enough and we would need to create a whole new infrastructure for it.
Not worth it.
We know the F-110 engine's ins and outs,we can build them ourselves from scratch(licenced).
Its reliable easy to maintain,the F-110 has up to 8000 hours lifespan,Russian or Chinese engines have at most 4000 hours.
Maintenance after 750 hours,Russian or Chinese engine 200/300 hours.
Etc etc.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Nope,the J10 is good enough for countries not able or allowed to buy Western fighters.
We already have the F-16 which is better,so why go backward instead of forward?

U think only that is produced in china and its bad but thats not true . If u look J 10 is western design , israeli Lavi project that jews spy/steal like everything else from west .
It is majestic aircraft for Turkiye is better choice than Su 57 that is big , costly perhaps problematic and china J 20.
This J10 is china F16 and f16 of 1970 is not the same as f16 viper B70 in 2023 so J 10 can be converted with Turk Aesa radar , AA missiles and other equipment .
Ws 10G perhaps china will not allow it since has thrust vectoring tech but stil Ws 10C is good

 

[TR_123456]

U think only that is produced in china and its bad buy thats not true . If u look J 10 is western design , israeli Lavi project that jews spy/steal like everything else from west .
It is majestic aircraft for Turkiye is better choice than Su 57 that is big , costly perhaps problematic and china J 20.
This J10 is china F16 and f16 of 1970 is not the same as f16 viper B70 in 2023 so J 10 can be converted with Turk Aesa radar , AA missiles and other equipment .
Ws 10G perhaps china will not allow it since has thrust vectoring tech but stil Ws 10C is good

lets agree to disagree.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

No it cant,its not like changing tires.
No Russian or Chinese engine is good enough and we would need to create a whole new infrastructure for it.
Not worth it.
We know the F-110 engine's ins and outs,we can build them ourselves from scratch(licenced).
Its reliable easy to maintain,the F-110 has up to 8000 hours lifespan,Russian or Chinese engines have at most 4000 hours.
Maintenance after 750 hours,Russian or Chinese engine 200/300 hours.
Etc etc.

Thats military doctrine of russia china vs western ones.
Do u think really russia or china cant produce 8000 lifespan engine??
Estern countries produce them in mass thousends of themand want to be very cheap while western one except US produce high quality very costly weapons but with f35 that western doctrine aslo go down .
Thats why Uk, France , Italy ,Germany only have 300 modern 70 ton tanks while Russia 50000 ,40 ton tanks ‍♂

 

[Ripley]

Thats military doctrine of russia china vs western ones.
Do u think really russia or china cant produce 8000 lifespan engine??

And Turkey has adopted its military doctrine in the Western line almost eight decades ago and is on the verge of creating and implementing its own within the next decade . So, there you go.

 

[Sanchez]

Thats military doctrine of russia china vs western ones.
Do u think really russia or china cant produce 8000 lifespan engine??
Estern countries produce them in mass thousends of themand want to be very cheap while western one except US produce high quality very costly weapons but with f35 that western doctrine aslo go down .
Thats why Uk, France , Italy ,Germany only have 300 modern 70 ton tanks while Russia 50000 ,40 ton tanks ‍♂

Russia can't produce a high performance turbofan engine that can last 8k flight hours. China is yet to prove they can.
No need to give F-35 as an example. F-16 works too. It is the most built modern fighter in existence.

European countries you listed doesn't have low numbers of tanks because their tanks were expensive. They had the numbers to match. West Germany had about 7000 tanks in 80s. Unlike Russians, they just disarmed faster after 1991 because they didn't need them anymore after winning the cold war. In most cases, it was cheaper for the Russians to let all that equipment gather dust in depots in Siberia rather than dismantling them, unlike the rest of us.

 

[TheInsider]

The rumours about the Reis project are true but let's not get ahead of ourselves cancelling the Reis project is a big move and I doubt Germans will take that step so until Germany acts on its veiled threat we should not make it bigger than it seems. Having said that, Germans are acting like headless chickens in a hysterical mood. We shouldn't rule out the risk of cancellation completely. It is indeed not %0.

Most people here got news from the defense industry or military sources. I heard German veiled threats towards the Reis project from a foreign ministry source. And it is not just Germany several countries threw a tantrum at lower levels, for now, and most likely in coordination, after Erdogan said Hamas is not a terrorist organization. And it is not just about the Reis project. The threats start from military projects to unlisting PKK as a terror organization and sanctions against some entities in Turkiye.

 

[Zafer]

So really AKP simping for a bunch of murderous militants in a conflict which Turkey has no interest in and is actively funded by entities hostile to Turkey is biting Turkey in the ass.

Who would've thought?

Türkiye is on its own side, kill the promised land dream before it is a thing.

 

[boredaf]

Germans are acting like headless chickens in a hysterical mood

Scholz is acting like an utter moron out of guilt, even Germans dislike what he is doing. Holocaust was an atrocity and all but blindly supporting Netanyahu of all people is insane So I really wouldn't be surprised if they did something monumentally stupid.

 

[GoatsMilk]

So really AKP simping for a bunch of murderous militants in a conflict which Turkey has no interest in and is actively funded by entities hostile to Turkey is biting Turkey in the ass.

Who would've thought?

Half the nation sees this sort of politics as a great success, that's the bigger nightmare facing the nation. To divert from their constant geopolitical failings they will talk about the evils of secularism.

The whole fighter jet incident turned into a massive joke Buy shitty s400 to start the ball rolling against Turkiye and then constantly take the geopolitical position that harms Turkiye.

I had hoped that Aliyev could have taught erdogan how to balance relationships in order to achieve success on the ground. He must be watching Erdogan and thinking to himself what this guy is doing is suicide.

Turkiyes enemies just have to sit back and let erdogan get to work, that is enough for them to win on the ground.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Half the nation sees this sort of politics as a great success, that's the bigger nightmare facing the nation. To divert from their constant geopolitical failings they will talk about the evils of secularism.

The whole fighter jet incident turned into a massive joke Buy shitty s400 to start the ball rolling against Turkiye and then constantly take the geopolitical position that harms Turkiye.

Imagine calling hamas ‘’freedom fighters’’ and then asking for new jets days later. And then the constant victimization that follow up when in reality we’re also part of the problem. We’re giving them the stick to beat us and then ask why are they doing it.

 

[GoatsMilk]

We’re giving them the stick to beat us and then ask why are they doing it.

Couldn't have said it better myself, thats erdogan politics in a nutshell. 90% of the problems Turkiye faces today we created for ourselves.

 

[Nutuk]

Making the Palestinian issue a state policy is wrong from the begin on, that aside I do not understand switching from bad to worse.

US does not give F35, so we demand F16. Same story US does not give F16, so we demand EF2000.

Utter BS policies are followed, instead of wasting billions on F16's, EF2000, pump that money into engine for Hurjet (TRmotor is making the Kaan engine, task TEI with a 20000lb engine for Hurjet, make your own fighter jet and make more funds available for ANKA-3 and Kizilelma.

Get on with our own stuff, West does not want a Muslim country that surpass themselves in military tech (we don't regards ourselves a Muslim country in the sense of governance, but the west do so they will embargo us on everything possible)

 

[GoatsMilk]

Making the Palestinian issue a state policy is wrong from the begin on, that aside I do not understand switching from bad to worse.

US does not give F35, so we demand F16. Same story US does not give F16, so we demand EF2000.

Utter BS policies are followed, instead of wasting billions on F16's, EF2000, pump that money into engine for Hurjet (TRmotor is making the Kaan engine, task TEI with a 20000lb engine for Hurjet, make your own fighter jet and make more funds available for ANKA-3 and Kizilelma.

Get on with our own stuff, West does not want a Muslim country that surpass themselves in military tech (we don't regards ourselves a Muslim country in the sense of governance, but the west do so they will embargo us on everything possible)

we had 20 years of this bullshit, as long as he calls the shots moving forward its going to be more failure. As long as half the nation can be easily aroused and deceived with religion the path ahead is directly into the grave.

Just like the Hamas leaders who ran GAZA into the ground, they are all billionaires living a great life style, but the people got absolutely f'ed by Hamas. Can you imagine the leader of Hamas has a personal fortune of over 4 billion dollars? The people of Gaza dont even have clean water, how much theft and corruption must have gone on.

I saw pictures yesterday of Palestinian kids with half their heads blown off by Isreali bombs, meanwhile the leaders of Hamas who dragged Gaza off a cliff are all billionaires.

When are Muslims going to wake up.

Fighter jets or rather air power is critical, the moment your enemy can take air dominance over you, your finished. You won't fair any better then the Palestinians in Gaza are fairing today.

 

[Zafer]

Making the Palestinian issue a state policy is wrong from the begin on, that aside I do not understand switching from bad to worse.

US does not give F35, so we demand F16. Same story US does not give F16, so we demand EF2000.

Utter BS policies are followed, instead of wasting billions on F16's, EF2000, pump that money into engine for Hurjet (TRmotor is making the Kaan engine, task TEI with a 20000lb engine for Hurjet, make your own fighter jet and make more funds available for ANKA-3 and Kizilelma.

Get on with our own stuff, West does not want a Muslim country that surpass themselves in military tech (we don't regards ourselves a Muslim country in the sense of governance, but the west do so they will embargo us on everything possible)

At some point in the future we will possibly need to convert the Kaan engine core into a civilian turbofan engine to power our passenger plane fleet, we need to be prepared for this too.

 

[cr33pt3d]

No mention about the version of EF2000 ? which tranche, i suppose it's TR 4.
they just started on the German 54 tranche 4 order, Spain has additional orders too like 45 +, best case scenario, the germans somehow give the go, i assume at least a year and a half of contract negotiations. i don't see how we get those birds before 2028 - 2030 for the 40 jets.

Eurofighter consortium sees up to 200 aircraft sales over next 2 years - Breaking Defense

Gaincarlo Mezzanatto, CEO of the Eurofighter Typhoon consortium, talked about potential sales to Spain and, after a recent meeting, Poland, among others.

breakingdefense.com

 

[ClaudeJ]

Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler: We plan to purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes from England and Spain.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725210146832281827

Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler:

"We want to buy 40 Eurofighters, it is a very effective aircraft, Germany objects. England and Spain say they will solve it."

"I am not in favor of buying the F-35. There is a different debate in America about whether we should switch to another plane."

"We cannot take the S-400 and deliver it to the corner of a factory. We push the button when we need it."

"I hope KAAN will make its flight at the end of this year."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725213849911968109

Any official source on Germany actually blocking the deal?

The Erdogan-Scholz dinner is not even over

 

[boredaf]

Any official source on Germany actually blocking the deal?

The Erdogan-Scholz dinner is not even over

I'll eat haggis for a week if he approves it.

 

[Ripley]

I'll eat haggis for a week if he approves it.

Haud yer wheesht McTavish! Curse yaeerrr mouth