TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Spitfire9]

I mean Tempest looks like KAAN a bit, if you didn't notice, especially newer concepts

5G fighters all look just about the same to me!

 

[Nutuk]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA. This is the only 5th generation airframe that they can add to their inventory as soon as possible, which is both long-range, multi-role, and affordable.

Don't let them bother us with the engine. Let them give us P&W F119 engines and let's integrate them into Kaan. Then, each country should use the radar, avionics and weapons of its own choosing on this airframe. Let everyone go their own way with peace of mind.

????

 

[Kartal1]

Turkey needs to replace almost 80+ of T-38 & CF-5, so I fully expect Turkish Airforce to order 80+ of Hurjet AJT. However, the question is would the Turkish gov't stop from there? Light combat aircarft variant of Hurjet is already in consideration and It is not unreasonable to expect Turkish Airforce to order 60+ of Hurjet LCA as it is much cost effective to air police in Turkish air & seas.

So I could see Turkey to order about 150+ Hurjet in various variants and this would make Hurjet a very competitive LCA in the export market.

I think the workforce of the TuAF will continue to be the F-16. Also our MALE/HALE UCAV fleet is increasing, heavier and more modern munitions are integrated to our platforms which are used against targets in A2G scenarios almost every day.

Hurjet may have some usability for TuAF, but most probably these "lighter" tasks will be taken by an improved version of the Kizilelma which will hopefully use a national engine and have a supersonic speed after 2028 (just my speculation).

 

[2033]

I think Kaan's airframe, (I said Kaan's airframe, not Kaan!) is needed right now by both EU countries and Japan and even USA. This is the only 5th generation airframe that they can add to their inventory as soon as possible, which is both long-range, multi-role, and affordable.

Don't let them bother us with the engine. Let them give us P&W F119 engines and let's integrate them into Kaan. Then, each country should use the radar, avionics and weapons of its own choosing on this airframe. Let everyone go their own way with peace of mind.

Wake up now my friend, it's morning.

 

[Scott Summers]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

 

[Bozan]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

I did say, no delivery without doing as the US says.

 

[Scott Summers]

Invest the 23 billion in KAAN, use Anka 3 and Kızılelma and buy Russian planes to fill the gap till KAAN enters massproduction.

There are more than 10 million people unemployed. Put them in the plants and produce 500 KAAN's.

500 KAAN
1000 ALTAY

Replace the Leopards ans Sabra's and F16's and sell them to African countries.

 

[Ravager]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

It is as it is .... but , the turks still have to bite it today for the freedom of their choosing in the next decade ...
I say ..for a decades of headaches free ...it's worthed .

 

[Saithan]

Well, let me just remind you that overflight and such. Pretty much depends on wordings. E.g. No international court or auch has recognized the 10 air mile range greece claims. So biden can promise that they’ll keep an eye on that international approved border overflights are monitored etc.

that would mean 6 miles. These play on words will continue and Turkey just need to keep things vague. If they are vague enough then they don’t exist

 

[Bozan]

Could also be F-16s for recognizing an autonomous state in Syria

 

[Afif]

That is a bit of stretch.

 

[Ryder]

People can keep on calling Russian and Chinese planes crap but at least the Russians and Chinese operate their own stuff without any strings attached.

I really hope Kaan can do the same thing.

Kaan should really be a turning point for the Turks.

 

[Heartbang]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

Before you type your anger away, I'd like to remind y'all that we have absolutely no idea what kind of "word" he got from the Bidon admin.

It might as well went like this:

>stop sitting on your hands on this deal, or the secret service will air out your dirty laundry!
+yes, sir president

 

[RMZN]

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues​

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.



Van Hollen, a member of the Senate’s Committee, said he got word from the administration that it continues to monitor closely whether incursions of Turkish aircraft into Greek airspace will continue “in order to encourage the ongoing dialogue between Greece and Turkey”; that it will “continue to warn Azerbaijan against taking further military action against Armenia and that they will work with Turkey to prevent any further escalation of that conflict”; and that it will continue to voice “strong objections” against Turkish attacks on Syrian Kurds, crucial US allies in the region, and that it “more clearly communicate” to the Kurds the commitment to support them.



“I continue to have serious concerns about President Erdogan’s ongoing attacks against our Syrian Kurdish allies, his aggressive actions in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the role he played in supporting Azerbaijan’s military assaults against Nagorno-Karabakh,” Van Hollen said.

Key US senator won’t block F-16s to Turkey after Biden assurances on overflights, other issues | eKathimerini.com

US Senator Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) released a statement on Friday saying he will not seek to block the sale of F-16s to Turkey after receiving assurances from the Biden Administration that it will monitor Turkey’s behavior on a number of sensitive issues including its actions towards Greece.

www.ekathimerini.com

F-16's are coming with restrictions.

If this is true than indeed it is the most stupid deal of the century.

basically:
>greek lobbyist tells the people that pay him "everything is fine", whilst all that Biden really cared about was getting the F-16 - Sweden swap done.
>"will continue to warn", "voice strong objections", meaning all we will see are twitter posts like we are already used to.

The US doesn't recognize Greece's 10nm airspace claim and that is where greek newspapers such as ekathimerini get their "243 gazillion overflights within the last 3 months" numbers from.

 

[Rooxbar]

This is all because people have no idea about machinations of U.S. internal politics. He's the senator from Maryland. Baltimore, home to the largest Greek diaspora in U.S., is in Maryland. He's just trying to soothe his constituents and make sure they continue to vote for him. Otherwise if that blabber was actually substantial, he would propose to modify the executive agreement on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee under AECA when they hold formal review, which he will not do because he's a good boy.

 

[dBSPL]

There are reports that full-scale serial production of the KF-21 Boramae will start with 40 aircraft per year. I don't think anyone would dispute the idea that in the medium term, we may have a better prospect of certifying the Turkish munitions group with our Korean friends for KF-21 than with other potential counterparts. We have years of significant business development and procurement experience with Korea, especially in the defense bureaucracy.

Moreover, last year, the KF-21N variant studies were announced in line with the potential long-term goals of the Korean navy. As far as I know, the ROKN does not have such a request yet and it is not a formalized issue, but it also reveals the expansion potential of KAI's KF-21 program.

In short, instead of waiting for the green light from the Germans for EF for almost 2 years, or for additional F-16s, we could have considered the purchase of 2 squadrons of fighters from Korea.

 

[dBSPL]

Would not Korea need approval of the USA to be able to sell it to us?

@Chocopie

 

[Hannibal]

Would not Korea need approval of the USA to be able to sell it to us?

The KF-21 Boramae is subject to ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) restrictions.
The Eurofighter also has US components so again ITAR restrictions.
So TurAF is not trying to diversify the aircraft fleet from US control with these purchases.

I think the logic here is timing, Boramae will be introduced in 2026, and given the situation with North Korea and China, I doubt Korea would start production for TurAF before 2030.

The UK has promised deliveries of Eurofighter beginning of 2026 and the Eurofighter is a proven platform, whereas Boramae is kind of a gamble.
There are aging F-4s that need to be replaced urgently and need an answer to the Rafale and F-35 acquisition by Greece.

 

[Chocopie]

@Chocopie

Yep, approval from US, UK and other European companies and gov agencies.

Indigenizing foreign sourced technology and parts as usual in later stages of iterations. Common practice of our MIC.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

That would be a waste of money, the KAI KF-21 has no internal weapons bay, you might as well use any fighter available...
I don't understand why Hürjet was developed as a light fighter/trainer anyway.
If they had built it from the beginning like an F-16 alternative like the SAAB JAS 39 Gripen E then we wouldn't have a headache today.
Of all GEN 4+ aircraft, the SAAB model is probably the cheapest and most efficient model as a GEN 4+ fighter, and at the same time competitive with Rafaele & Eurofighter.
But the Swedes won't sell it to us, and it's built with tons of EU technology, so even if Sweden gave the go-ahead, half of Europe would probably have to give it too.