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[boredaf]

US Senator Rand Paul has prepared a bill to block the sale of F-16 Block 70 to TR. The bill must be approved by a majority in the US House of Representatives and the US Senate.

ABD Senatosu'nda Türkiye'nin F-16 Blok 70 tedarikine itiraz

Türkiye'nin F-16 Blok 70 tedarikine, ABD Senatosu'ndan itiraz geldi. Senatör Rand Paul, satışın yasaklanması amacıyla bir yasa tasarısı hazırladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

We'll live with this until 2028/29.

A political party in the parliament should propose a bill to immediately close all US missions outside NATO, exit the NATO EPAA mission and confiscate the AN/TPY-2 in Kürecik and put it in storage. At the very least, there should be a workshop on this issue in the parliamentary sub-committees. But our great national assembly is occupied from top to bottom by Atlanticists.

Rand Paul is a moron that isn't even liked within his party and this "bill" will go nowhere. It's an election year and we're an easy target to pander to his idiot voters. I'll eat my computer if it passes, these morons couldn't even pass bills they prepared themselves.

 

[DBdev]

US Senator Rand Paul has prepared a bill to block the sale of F-16 Block 70 to TR. The bill must be approved by a majority in the US House of Representatives and the US Senate.

ABD Senatosu'nda Türkiye'nin F-16 Blok 70 tedarikine itiraz

Türkiye'nin F-16 Blok 70 tedarikine, ABD Senatosu'ndan itiraz geldi. Senatör Rand Paul, satışın yasaklanması amacıyla bir yasa tasarısı hazırladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

We'll live with this until 2028/29.

A political party in the parliament should propose a bill to immediately close all US missions outside NATO, exit the NATO EPAA mission and confiscate the AN/TPY-2 in Kürecik and put it in storage. At the very least, there should be a workshop on this issue in the parliamentary sub-committees. But our great national assembly is occupied from top to bottom by Atlanticists.

We have no right to blame West. They are our enemies despite all this NATO allies, charade. There is no confusion about that on THEIR side.
Blame SSB, Aselsan, government for making us endure this and million other humiliations by failing to replicate these or even better technologies in time.

Like I said before: There are ZERO reasons not to install Özgür DAS, IRST, AESA, DIRCM high power laser weapons even a simple curved large screen to our F-16s.

But we are even buying "12 concrete dumb bombs" in this package.

Because of 9 to 5 "do the bare minimum," mentality.
No imagination, no vision.

Nobody takes initiative and those few who take initiative are the ones shouldn't, those without a crystal clear vision of what must be done and how.

 

[boredaf]

Before everyone starts wetting the bed, or, losing their heads, this is the "bill":

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/60/text

It is just introduced and referred to Foreign Relations committee. And this is the process it needs to go through before it means jack shit:

• Introduced
• Passed Senate
• Passed House
• To President
• Became Law

And, since Republicans control the House and Democrats control the Senate and those two never votes for something the other side brings on the floor, this has no chance of passing. This Congress, both of its houses, have been the single least productive in US history.

 

[dBSPL]

Rand Paul is a moron that isn't even liked within his party and this "bill" will go nowhere. It's an election year and we're an easy target to pander to his idiot voters. I'll eat my computer if it passes, these morons couldn't even pass bills they prepared themselves.

While the morons in the US Senate are reminding us of the nature of the new era of US-TR relations, our morons are busy kissing their asses. This is the difference.

 

[Spitfire9]

While the morons in the US Senate are reminding us of the nature of the new era of US-TR relations, our morons are busy kissing their asses. This is the difference.

It might be time to try undoing the damage caused to German-Turkish relations when President Erdogan last went to Germany.

 

[Spitfire9]

Yes, it is laughable that, possibly needing to buy Eurofighter, TR's leader goes to Germany and alienates its leader, making that less possible. Full marks for displaying such diplomatic skill!

PS The British probably spent years trying to unblock Eurofighter export sales to KSA. In one short visit President Edogan has possibly blown the chances of it being exported to Turkiye. I don't think he is too popular with either Germany or UK now.

 

[UkroTurk]

No worries Guys.

Again we are in the class of good partners. Look , Türkiye has entered in the league where Canada, Germany, Korea .

US trade panel rejects extra tariff on tinned steel from Türkiye

The U.S. International Trade Assessment Commission (USITC) Tuesday rejected the request for additional customs duties on tinned steel imported from...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Spitfire9]

No worries Guys.

Again we are in the class of good partners. Look , Türkiye has entered in the league where Canada, Germany, Korea .

US trade panel rejects extra tariff on tinned steel from Türkiye

The U.S. International Trade Assessment Commission (USITC) Tuesday rejected the request for additional customs duties on tinned steel imported from...

www.dailysabah.com

If you read it, it is a rejection of requested anti-dumping tarriffs. No connection with the TuAF's prospects of getting F-16

 

[UkroTurk]

If you read it, it is a rejection of requested anti-dumping tarriffs. No connection with the TuAF's prospects of getting F-16

No i didn't read it



We can see that the US does not have a hostile attitude towards Türkiye .

Moreover we are in the same league within the countries. Please read again which countries have Anti-Dumping tariffs, which countries are immune?

F-16s are on the way, thanks to NATO.

 

[Samba]

Before everyone starts wetting the bed, or, losing their heads, this is the "bill":

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/60/text

It is just introduced and referred to Foreign Relations committee. And this is the process it needs to go through before it means jack shit:

• Introduced
• Passed Senate
• Passed House
• To President
• Became Law

And, since Republicans control the House and Democrats control the Senate and those two never votes for something the other side brings on the floor, this has no chance of passing. This Congress, both of its houses, have been the single least productive in US history.

All should be concluded in 3 days..

 

[YeşilVatan]

Germany has to be the most pathetic country in the whole world, they blocked the sale of 48 Eurofighters to Saudi Arabia for 6 years, and now just recently they lifted the ban because there was a real possibility of the Eurofighter production lines shutting down. Now you are forced to sell to Turkiye..

Yeah. And the demographic winter. And deindustrialization. And that stuck up attitude.

They are unsalvageable.

 

[Afif]

Yeah. And the demographic winter. And deindustrialization. And that stuck up attitude.

They are unsalvageable.

Deindustrialization? I thought the most industrialization country in Europe was Germany. More than one and half trillion dollars of export. I don't know if any developed country has such high export to GDP ratio in the world.

 

[TheInsider]

Deindustrialization? I thought the most industrialization country in Europe was Germany. More than one and half trillion dollars of export. I don't know if any developed country has such high export to GDP ratio in the world.

Yes, but the trend is backward due to high costs and new competitors.

 

[Rooxbar]

Yes, it is laughable that, possibly needing to buy Eurofighter, TR's leader goes to Germany and alienates its leader, making that less possible. Full marks for displaying such diplomatic skill!

PS The British probably spent years trying to unblock Eurofighter export sales to KSA. In one short visit President Edogan has possibly blown the chances of it being exported to Turkiye. I don't think he is too popular with either Germany or UK now.

Like always, the limits of the western mind can only stretch to the borders of western media coverage landscape. You know the narrative of your own side only. We know that but we also know how Germany has become a safe haven for most of the highest ranking Gulenists, people who cheated on tests to get to places and merely months after the coup when they fled, they became think tank members, assistant professors, writers for "prestigious" mags. Cevheri Güven, Zekeriya Öz, Abdullah Aymaz, Can Dündar, Atakan Adaşoğlu, Ercan Karakoyun, Fikret Seçen, İlhami Polat, Celal Kara, all top-ranking collaborators of the coup and responsible for unimaginable damage to our country fled to Greece but Greeks thought they might be caught there due to approximity and ease of operation by Turkish inteeligence, so they were sent to Germany where all of them got lucrative jobs and positions through which they constantly provoke against Turkey and spread fake news.

Honestly all of that is expected, what is somewhat less expected is the silence of German and European Intelligentsia in the face of utterly unqualified people getting to these positions in a matter of months after the coup. So when even your intelligentsia is silent on these issues, obviosuly you will have no clue about any of this because as I said the limits of the Western mind stretches at most to the borders of their media's coverage landscape (and mostly not even that, but only the oft-repeated headlines).

The only reason we have to put up with this is our economic woes and our dependence on European markets for our exports; otherwise these hostile actions should have been met with much harsher reactions. We also want to get Typhoons, but obviously if our president criticizng some other country in a press conference with German chancellor is reason enough for them to continue their hostility, then no groveling is warranted and I'd say more power to him to continue criticizing any third party he wants.

 

[Spitfire9]

Suudi Arabistan'a bir savaş uçağı daha teklif edildi: F-15EX

Daha önce bu ihtiyacın yeni bir Eurofighter Typhoon grubu için olacağı varsayılmıştı ancak Suudi Arabistan, Almanya'nın Suudi Arabistan'a ihracat yasağının ardından diğer seçenekleri değerlendiriyor.

gdh.digital

WDS: Three-way dogfight for Saudi fighter order | Aviation Week

A long-standing Royal Saudi Air Force fighter requirement is now being contested by the Dassault Rafale, the Boeing F-15EX, and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

www.timesaerospace.aero

You can't make this up..
Saudi Arabia is offered Rafale, Eurofighter, and now F-15EX.

Given that it is an election year, and Trump has a possibility of winning and abandoning Saudi Arabia in the Middle East, I put my bet on the
F-15EX. Saudis can win the favor of the US and get a better aircraft than the Eurofighter.

Germany has to be the most pathetic country in the whole world, they blocked the sale of 48 Eurofighters to Saudi Arabia for 6 years, and now just recently they lifted the ban because there was a real possibility of the Eurofighter production lines shutting down. Now you are forced to sell to Turkiye..

Spoiler

You are aware that Germany has ordered 38 Eurofighters and Spain has ordered 20, so those lines will not be shutting down in the next few years? There was debate as to whether Spain would order F-35 to replace its Hornets but it looks like they will be replaced with Eurofighters.

Italy and UK are close to finishing assembly of current Eurofighter orders but Italy may secure an order from Egypt as part of a comprehensive weapons deal under negotiation.

Given the change in emphasis on defence due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the deteriorating security situation in the Middle East, the UK government may choose to order more Eurofighters to replace its early Tranche 1 aircraft.

So, while BAE Systems would welcome an order from KSA or Turkiye it is not necessarily the end of UK Eurofighter assembly f it receives no new order from KSA or Turkiye. Whatever happens with new orders, the planned MLU of RAF's Tranche 2 Typhoons will keep BAE Systems busy for years.

 

[Spitfire9]

Like always, the limits of the western mind can only stretch to the borders of western media coverage landscape. You know the narrative of your own side only.

What nonsense you talk. My comments about your leader were based entirely on what I heard him say ie his words, his narrative.

I am open to receiving criticism but not criticism that is utterly unfounded. I suggest that you retract.

 

[Rooxbar]

What nonsense you talk. My comments about your leader were based entirely on what I heard him say ie his words, his narrative.

I am open to receiving criticism but not criticism that is utterly unfounded. I suggest that you retract.

It might be time to try undoing the damage caused to German-Turkish relations when President Erdogan last went to Germany.

Yes, it is laughable that, possibly needing to buy Eurofighter, TR's leader goes to Germany and alienates its leader, making that less possible. Full marks for displaying such diplomatic skill!

PS The British probably spent years trying to unblock Eurofighter export sales to KSA. In one short visit President Edogan has possibly blown the chances of it being exported to Turkiye. I don't think he is too popular with either Germany or UK now.

These things you are aware of, and emphasize, are because of the climate your media has created by the stuff they emphasize and by the stuff they omit. Nobody lives in a vacuum, and your idea of the causes of strain in Turkish-German relations only being inferred personally from a singular press conference taken prima facie and devoid of context, is inherently impossible.

 

[Sanchez]

I guess this means IVEWS confirmed for F-16Vs. Nice.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1755566700194419038

 

[Spitfire9]

These things you are aware of, and emphasize, are because of the climate your media has created by the stuff they emphasize and by the stuff they omit. Nobody lives in a vacuum, and your idea of the causes of strain in Turkish-German relations only being inferred personally from a singular press conference taken prima facie and devoid of context, is inherently impossible.

Of course the media can affect opinions by omission. I avoid media that report selectively or place undue emphasis with the intent of shaping opinion.

What exactly is your complaint?

Mr Erdogan goes to Germany, reportedly in the hope that Germany will become agreeable to Turkiye buying Eurofighter.
Mr Erdogan makes an inflammatory speech in public putting Scholz in an awkward position.
Mr Erdogan leaves Germany without Germany saying it is agreeable to Turkiye buying Eurofighter.

Mission accomplished or Scholz alienated?

 

[Sanchez]

It was already mentioned here: "one hundred sixty-eight (168) Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite (IVEWS) or equivalent Electronic Warfare (EW) systems (40 installed, 10 spares, 118 for modernization program (79 installed, 39 spares));"

Yes, the "or equivalent Electronic Warfare (EW) systems" part.

Hence the confirmed.
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Number of spares for this is interesting, especially for the mod part(1/4 new builds and 1/2 for mods). Wonder if it's a new system and they fear of possible problems with units or if something else like some IVEWS equipped Özgürs, if that is even possible.