TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Fatman17]

141 Filo "Kurt (Wolf)" (TuAF)

 

[Fatman17]

113 Filo "Gazelle (Ceylan)" (TuAF)

 

[Kartal1]

Umm.. What the heck?!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811480532028359016

 

[Bogeyman]

Umm.. What the heck?!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811480532028359016

"But Turkey is now pushing to buy fewer upgrade kits and munitions to save billions of dollars amid spending cuts at home, according to people familiar with the planning, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The country wants its developing military aviation industry to handle some of its needs, the people said. Turkey’s defense and foreign ministries declined to comment."

 

[Kartal1]

"But Turkey is now pushing to buy fewer upgrade kits and munitions to save billions of dollars amid spending cuts at home, according to people familiar with the planning, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The country wants its developing military aviation industry to handle some of its needs, the people said. Turkey’s defense and foreign ministries declined to comment."

So we are asking for permission to widen the implementation of the OZGUR program?

 

[Bogeyman]

So we are asking for permission to widen the implementation of the OZGUR program?

I think it seems that way. We may be trying to increase the modernization capability of TAI and military factories.

 

[Chocopie]

It‘s not unusual to ask for a maximum of possible FMS items and then scaling back the numbers during negotiations.

Nobody wants to go through the approval hassle with US Congress again if you want to place an additional order. Therefore I never expected Türkiye to order the full package of approved items for outrageously high $20+ billion …

 

[Saithan]

I agree... also, as soon as this bill had passed through the Senate etc. we should have had a second bill for the purchase of 12-24-48 F404 for Hürjet pushed through.

Immediate purchase of 12, and the others at a later date (optional).

 

[Sanchez]

It‘s not unusual to ask for a maximum of possible FMS items and then scaling back the numbers during negotiations.

Nobody wants to go through the approval hassle with US Congress again if you want to place an additional order. Therefore I never expected Türkiye to order the full package of approved items for outrageously high $20+ billion …

Indeed, but number of mod kits wasn’t just a haggling tactic. 119 Viper number(40 new, 79 modded) was touted by the air force first. Presumed plan was to divide the F-16 fleet in two nearly 50/50. Some squadrons would just run Vipers, while others would just run the Özgür aircraft.

We haven’t heard anything about increasing the number of Özgür aircraft, so if we go by lower number of mod kits, in the end we will have 3 F-16 fleets. Viper, Özgür and 40-50 legacy block 40s. That wasn’t the original plan. That’s a loss in capability.

Maybe they have something else in the works, maybe EF sale is going well now and they will divide resources to there, or F-35 is back on the cards

 

[Chocopie]

Indeed, but number of mod kits wasn’t just a haggling tactic. 119 Viper number(40 new, 79 modded) was touted by the air force first. Presumed plan was to divide the F-16 fleet in two nearly 50/50. Some squadrons would just run Vipers, while others would just run the Özgür aircraft.

We haven’t heard anything about increasing the number of Özgür aircraft, so if we go by lower number of mod kits, in the end we will have 3 F-16 fleets. Viper, Özgür and 40-50 legacy block 40s. That wasn’t the original plan. That’s a loss in capability.

Maybe they have something else in the works, maybe EF sale is going well now and they will divide resources to there, or F-35 is back on the cards

True, the number of F-16 upgrade kits weren‘t unreasonable but the price tag was insane US MIC has inflationary prices every year.

Our Air Force would like to operate ~100 F-35A, the politicians gave them only 60 to work with because of rising costs.

 

[Deliorman]

Indeed, but number of mod kits wasn’t just a haggling tactic. 119 Viper number(40 new, 79 modded) was touted by the air force first. Presumed plan was to divide the F-16 fleet in two nearly 50/50. Some squadrons would just run Vipers, while others would just run the Özgür aircraft.

We haven’t heard anything about increasing the number of Özgür aircraft, so if we go by lower number of mod kits, in the end we will have 3 F-16 fleets. Viper, Özgür and 40-50 legacy block 40s. That wasn’t the original plan. That’s a loss in capability.

Maybe they have something else in the works, maybe EF sale is going well now and they will divide resources to there, or F-35 is back on the cards

Or maybe the economy is so bad that Turkey has problems with financing.

 

[Afif]

Or maybe the economy is so bad that Turkey has problems with financing.

Turkish forex is higher than ever been. I don't think this is the issue. No one in their right mind would pay $23 billions no matter the situation.

 

[Radko]

True, the number of F-16 upgrade kits weren‘t unreasonable but the price tag was insane US MIC has inflationary prices every year.

Our Air Force would like to operate ~100 F-35A, the politicians gave them only 60 to work with because of rising costs.

yeah, 23 billion for that pack is insanely expensive

 

[rif.ahm]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811669401843667336

 

[Saithan]

Joe already forgot about what he said.

 

[Fatman17]

Turkey to Pare Back $23 Billion Deal for F-16 Jets With US​

• Ankara to seek offset agreement to produce some parts locally
• Turkey has tried since 2021 to buy 40 jets, modernize fleet

A Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter jet.Photographer: Axel Heimken/AFP/Getty Images

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1812407281524334738

KARTAL software received NATO certification in the first attempt

HAVELSAN, which has signed many software-based products in the 42 years since its establishment within the Turkish defense industry, has also achieved export success with these solutions offered to the security forces.

HAVELSAN showcased its competencies in the international fairs and exercises it participated in.

The company recently participated in NATO's largest digital interoperability exercise CWIX 2024, held at the NATO Joint Force Training Center in Bydgoszcz, Poland.

HAVELSAN's product KARTAL Command Control Software and link components successfully passed all of the NATO Certification Assurance Verification and Validation-AV&V tests, despite participating for the first time.

KARTAL and link components successfully passed special tests, which mean official approval of NATO Federated Mission Network (FMN) compatibility, in their first participation in the CWIX exercise and earned NATO certification. HAVELSAN also supported the testing and certification activities of the Air Force Information System in CWIX 2024.

KARTAL Command Control Software was developed by HAVELSAN as a basic command control software that includes real-time defined air image generation, surveillance, weapon control and some simulation functions in the Control Warning Centers of the Air Force Command.

Obtaining certifications, which are an important prerequisite for participation in NATO missions in CWIX exercises where the interoperability of countries' command and control information systems with both NATO and other countries' systems are tested, is important in terms of showing the level that HAVELSAN products have reached.

HAVELSAN, which has been actively participating in CWIX exercises since 2012 with the capabilities it has developed; received the Assurance Verification and Validation-AV&V certification from CWIX exercises with DOOB and KAŞİF in 2019 and ADVENT CMS and ADVENT MARTI products in 2023.

This year, 42 different countries, including NATO and the European Union, participated in the CWIX exercise, which was held between June 3-21, 2024, with more than 480 systems and approximately 2,500 personnel in 18 areas of interest.

HAVELSAN participated in the CWIX exercise with 25 personnel; and took part in the Air, Sea and Tactical Data Link areas of interest with 6 systems (KARTAL and link components, Tactical Data Link Management Center TDLYM, ADVENT CMS, ADVENT TRITON, ADVENT MARTI).

New competitive solutions to be added

HAVELSAN General Manager Mehmet Akif Nacar made the following assessments regarding the two separate certificates earned in the CWIX 2023 exercise in his statement to AA correspondent:

"It is a source of pride to see that we have successfully passed the operational scenario-based tests and dual tests in NATO's largest interoperability exercise and received the results of our proactive approach towards not only today's but also tomorrow's needs. This year, we also had the opportunity to conduct on-site examinations and coordination in order to ensure active participation with our solutions starting from next year in the fields of cyber and modeling simulation. We will continue to contribute to the Turkish Armed Forces and produce competitive solutions in the international arena by further reinforcing our long-standing experience in creating systems and compliance at NATO standards with the new certificates we have received."

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Fatman17]

Türkiye Eyes 40 Eurofighter Multirole Combat Aircraft to Boost Air Power Capabilities https://armyrecognition.com/news/ae...mbat-aircraft-to-boost-air-power-capabilities

 

[Sanchez]

Per İbrahim Sünnetçi in Defence Turkey's latest issue, HvKK is in talks to order 6 more A400Ms from Airbus(maybe undelivered Spanish ones?) and buy 12 ex-RAF C-130Js.

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