TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Yasar_TR]

The serial production of most of the parts needed for Özgür-2 started already.
Do we really need permission from the USA?

Contracts Inked for F-16 Block-30 ÖZGÜR-II & F-16 Block-40/50 ÖZGÜR-II Projects

www.defenceturkey.com

That is a vague area. Yes and no!
On paper, probably yes. If you remember in one of Mahmut Aksit’s speeches; he was clearly saying about F110 engines being the property of GE.
So under FMS we buy them and use them. Not really owning them outright.
But we can’t tamper with them.
Yet there is an understanding between the two allies whereby they have given us certain codes to integrate our weapons to the planes. Also they have not made an issue of us upgrading our planes with Ozgur.
We have also been able to introduce our own weapons as US weapons and use them without any problem (eg HGK as JDAM; Gokdogan as AMRAAM ) .
There is a notion that a 25 or 30 year time limit on the FMS sales which can allow us to tamper with the planes. But that is an unfounded and unproven notion.

 

[Merzifonlu]

USA is not allies anyone and anymore now, except may be Israel.

 

[Yasar_TR]

MSB'den İkinci el Eurofighter Typhoon tedariki iddiasına yanıt

Türkiye'nin ikinci el Eurofighter Typhoon savaş uçağı tedarik edeceği iddiaları, Milli Savunma Bakanlığı kaynakları tarafından yanıtlandı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Here is the news from the source.

We had announced that the Requirement Definition Document prepared as a result of the meetings was sent to the UK Ministry of Defense and the relevant company. We are waiting for a price offer from them. Our request is that the first aircraft to be purchased are new production. But how this will happen will be determined by the offer that will come to us.”

So we have asked for new planes. Not used.

 

[Oublious]

MoD gives answer to the second hand EF news. Only new fighters

 

[Oublious]

News about F35, after all the problems should we go back is the question what needs to be asnwered..

page 37/

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R48304

Congress may consider revisiting the sale of F-35s to Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. Turkey was one of the eight original F-35 international partners on the F-35 program and is a member of NATO. The United States removed Turkey from the F-35 program in July 2019 for its purchase of the S-400 surface to air missile system—an acquisition which caused concern that Russia could obtain information concerning the F-35’s stealth capabilities. The U.S. imposed sanctions on Turkey using the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (P.L. 115-44).205 In January 2024, the U.S. resumed sales of F-16s to Turkey, which has renewed the discussion of whether Turkey could purchase F-35s. Congress could reconsider Turkey’s participation in the program. The United Arab Emirates reportedly withdrew its bid to buy F-35s after the Biden Administration delayed the deal over concerns about a UAE contract with the China-based 5G technology company Huawei.206 Congress could consider whether or not to support a sale of F35s to the UAE in the future

 

[Strong AI]

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R48304

Wait, Türkiye was meant to build the whole engine, not only some parts?

Before losing its partner status, Turkey was to build F135 engines and conduct engine maintenance and overhaul.

 

[guest12]

Wait, Türkiye was meant to build the whole engine, not only some parts?

No only some parts and more importantly engine in question was F-136 .A candidate engine delveoped by GE for F-35 later but in the end F-135 engine won the selection.

 

[Strong AI]

No only some parts and more importantly engine in question was F-136 .A candidate engine delveoped by GE for F-35 later but in the end F-135 engine won the selection.

But that report says otherwise.

 

[Sanchez]

But that report says otherwise.

Report can hardly be considered a report, it's too short, lacks details and nuance. Our workshare on F-35's airframe was much larger (which was later shared by the Germans and the Dutch) than our workshare on the F135, which the report doesn't even mention. It's true however that Turkey was to be the main regional MRO facility for F135 engines.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Wait, Türkiye was meant to build the whole engine, not only some parts?

Türkiye was chosen as the centre for local regional area for the F35 operators as the engine overhaul and maintenance centre. That would have meant to dismantle the engine and rebuilding it.
Kale with Pratt & Whitney had formed a partnership and was building a good number of parts for the F135.
That was the scale of our involvement in the F135 engine.

 

[Hannibal]

News about F35, after all the problems should we go back is the question what needs to be asnwered..

page 37/

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R48304

Congress may consider revisiting the sale of F-35s to Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. Turkey was one of the eight original F-35 international partners on the F-35 program and is a member of NATO. The United States removed Turkey from the F-35 program in July 2019 for its purchase of the S-400 surface to air missile system—an acquisition which caused concern that Russia could obtain information concerning the F-35’s stealth capabilities. The U.S. imposed sanctions on Turkey using the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (P.L. 115-44).205 In January 2024, the U.S. resumed sales of F-16s to Turkey, which has renewed the discussion of whether Turkey could purchase F-35s. Congress could reconsider Turkey’s participation in the program. The United Arab Emirates reportedly withdrew its bid to buy F-35s after the Biden Administration delayed the deal over concerns about a UAE contract with the China-based 5G technology company Huawei.206 Congress could consider whether or not to support a sale of F35s to the UAE in the future

If you really think Israel will allow the sale and lose its qualitative edge, I have a bridge to sell to you.

 

[Rooxbar]

If you really think Israel will allow the sale and lose its qualitative edge, I have a bridge to sell to you.

yes the omnipotent israel.

 

[Hannibal]

yes the omnipotent israel.

 

[Sanchez]

If you really think Israel will allow the sale and lose its qualitative edge, I have a bridge to sell to you.

They failed to stop the Meteor sale to Egypt. Egypt finally will have modern long range AAMs after 40 years. I don't know whether we'll eventually get Eurofighters or Meteors with them but it won't be down to Israeli protests.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1887918169576067438

So who's lying MOD or Spanish news.

I'm more inclined to believe Spanish news than our politicians, since they're incompetent.

I'm pretty damn sur they if ignored a wording that means we get shafted

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1887918169576067438

So who's lying MOD or Spanish news.

I'm more inclined to believe Spanish news than our politicians, since they're incompetent.

I'm pretty damn sur they if ignored a wording that means we get shafted

We are discussing this news and same source since Monday. You even took part in that discussion. Why are you posting now the same thing again?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886507569537310850

“According to the Spanish newspaper @larazon_es , 40 Typhoon jets, the first 20 of which will be second-hand from the UK and the other 20 of which will be newly produced, are expected to enter service with Meteor missiles between 2026 and 2030.”


Not what we hoped for but also it’s a known fact that TurAF definitely need aircraft right now.

 

[Saithan]

I must have missed a post.

At the end of the day public purchase request are not state secrets and should be shared with public for scrutiny.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1887918169576067438

So who's lying MOD or Spanish news.

I'm more inclined to believe Spanish news than our politicians, since they're incompetent.

I'm pretty damn sur they if ignored a wording that means we get shafted

Bro, these were all discussed in previous pages.
This news you shared is wrong as the exact translation doesn’t mention any T1 Typhoons. Please see my post #4021 :

Air Forces|News & Discussion

Eurofighter T1 makes no sense as a rapid response, it has no air-to-ground capabilities. It has no AESA radar, the EW and mission computer is technologically 15-20 years old and will be EoL by 2030 at the latest. Who do you want to defend yourself against with this Aircraft? Every country...

defencehub.live

We can discuss and argue here all day and everyday. But we will get nowhere. I suggest you read last 3 pages related to this subject.

Also British themselves have stated that T1 planes can’t fire Meteor missiles. That is one of the reasons they are being retired. So there is a major contradiction in your shared so called news piece.

 

[Hannibal]

They will mostly likely acquire 20 T3 Eurofighters from RAF or Qatar + 20 new built T4

 

[Turkic]

They will mostly likely acquire 20 T3 Eurofighters from RAF or Qatar + 20 new built T4

Any claims for your T3 statement ?