TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Sanchez]

That price is probably an educated guess by the writer of the article. But as you rightfully stated it must be for the planes only.
Meteor missiles are around 2 million dollars each. These jets carry at least 4 of them. With spares you are looking at a cost of 700+ million Euros only for the meteors.

We have no idea on the specifics as well. Of training, spares, munitions make-up, integration of Turkish munitions etc.

5bn figure comes up at 125mil per jet. Too cheap, and is probably just the flyaway cost of the jets, not including any of the above.

 

[TheInsider]

I expect a price tag per fighter from 125 to 150 million euros, so it looks on the lower side, but 5 billion looks plausible.

 

[TheInsider]

We have no idea on the specifics as well. Of training, spares, munitions make-up, integration of Turkish munitions etc.

5bn figure comes up at 125mil per jet. Too cheap, and is probably just the flyaway cost of the jets, not including any of the above.

Some contracts such as missiles, ammunition, and payloads like pods, will probably be signed separately.

 

[Sanchez]

Some contracts such as missiles, ammunition, and payloads like pods, will probably be signed separately.

Also probable, different JV companies.

Again to reiterate, there’s no DSCA analogue here, so we may not know the full figure or the full details pf the agreements any time soon.

 

[Saithan]

I think it's a mistake to sign the deals seperately. It would be better for us to sign a complet package to avoid any bumps on the road.

Unless of course buying the EF jets comes with a condition that we must be able to use our missiles from it, up to SOM types.

Does anyone know if it's possible to use A2A missiles we use on F16 from EF ?

 

[Khagan1923]

That price is probably an educated guess by the writer of the article. But as you rightfully stated it must be for the planes only.
Meteor missiles are around 2 million dollars each. These jets carry at least 4 of them. With spares you are looking at a cost of 700+ million Euros only for the meteors.

The guessed number is probably for the jets + training, I expect another 1-2B in armaments. At the end when all is said and done the sum will probably be around 8-9B. We will also have to pay a good sum if they agree to integrate our Missiles and Bombs.

There are rumours going around (not sure how credible) that TurAF wants a couple T1 for training purposes.

We also still haven't signd the official letter for procurement for the F-16? No? Would not suprise me if we see some news regarding the F-16 and F-35 in the near future (summer)

 

[Yasar_TR]

The guessed number is probably for the jets + training, I expect another 1-2B in armaments. At the end when all is said and done the sum will probably be around 8-9B. We will also have to pay a good sum if they agree to integrate our Missiles and Bombs.

There are rumours going around (not sure how credible) that TurAF wants a couple T1 for training purposes.

We also still haven't signd the official letter for procurement for the F-16? No? Would not suprise me if we see some news regarding the F-16 and F-35 in the near future (summer)

re: Typhoon
Correct line of thought.
Logical to train pilots on cheap T1 especially if we can get twin seats.

re: F16V70
We have already paid the initial down payment.
No one would pay that unless there is a signed contract.
It is up to the US to go back on their words. From our point of view it should be a signed, sealed deal.

re: F35
If they let us have the planes we paid for; great! Bring them up to may be a squadron strength. Then drag your feet for the rest. Hopefully, by the time they are due, KAAN is in inventory.

 

[hugh]

I would be very surprised if we get these aircrafts below $200m a piece. Remember, we have no infrastructure to service these jets. We will have to buy a lot of spare parts, maintanence systems, training equipment etc. + the missiles. It will be expensive

 

[boredaf]

Logical to train pilots on cheap T1 especially if we can get twin seats.

This is what I've been thinking as well, if UK has some two seaters among the jets they want to get rid of, I wouldn't mind at all if we get some of them as well. As far as planes go they are not that old, hell, in comparison to our F-4s they are just coming out of their teenage years.

 

[TheInsider]

According to guesstimates, 40 T4+400 meteor missiles+ payloads like pods can cost as much as 8 billion euros.

 

[boredaf]

According to guesstimates, 40 T4+400 meteor missiles+ payloads like pods can cost as much as 8 billion euros.

Including training, spare parts, etc, right? Basically the whole deal?

 

[TheInsider]

Including training, spare parts, etc, right? Basically the whole deal?

Yes whole deal.

 

[boredaf]

Yes whole deal.

That sounds like a fair deal to me, or at least as good as we could have hoped for.

 

[Burberryswine]

According to guesstimates, 40 T4+400 meteor missiles+ payloads like pods can cost as much as 8 billion euros.

I believe some of the news say its 20x T1 and 20x T4 models, I might be wrong though.

 

[Khagan1923]

I believe some of the news say its 20x T1 and 20x T4 models, I might be wrong though.

No, all Aircrafts will be T4 if not even T5 depending on when and if the option for the other 20 are used.

TurAF wants some T1 for training purposes. Otherwise T1 are pretty useless in todays conflicts.

 

[Sanchez]

5 F-16s from 132 squadron, 2 KC-135s, 2 A400Ms and a C-130 landed in US the other day, presumably to join Red Flag 25-2

Finally official confirmation.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1901649238120931761

 

[Burberryswine]

And next year we will maybe send six F-35As.

Hopefully if the talks go well next month in White House

 

[Fatman17]

 

[mTT]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

 

[Burberryswine]

Our SOM-J cruise missile, developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE, successfully hit the target in the first test firing against a surface platform.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1903003685371752777

Damn they even blurred out the serial number of the aircraft from the looks of it, it might be a Block 50+ somehow or possibly an Ozgur aircraft, also I think re-start of tests for the SOM-J could mean something as you guys know these missiles were made to be used in the F35s and this sudden re-appreance of SOM-J might mean there is hope.